MotoGP this Sunday...

Will Rossi win the opening round of MotoGP this Sunday (11:00am PST
Speed Channel) in Welkom South Africa???

I say No... Yamaha's I4 will not boss around Ducati's V4 or Honda's V5
even if the little God spawn has all the power in Christendom... becasue
inlines are rising torque cuvers whereas the V's are flat torque curves...

How quick is Rossi on the new and improved M1???

According to Motorcyclist they report from the MotoGp preseaon testing
at Malaysia's Sepang Circuit...

"Rossi did a 2:02.75 that's 3/10ths of a second off his pole position
flyer at the 03 Malaysias GP and 5th fastest at the three day test
there... Tamada, Edwards, Gibernau, Biaggi all Honda RC211V-mounted-beat
the good Doctor's best. Nicky Hayden beat everyone at Sepang, squeezing
a 2:02.041."

I'm routing for Nicky the "ah shucks" good guy on Honda... but I would
lying if I didn't confess to equal joy if a certain V4 from Italy won...

Tune in and turn on... MotoGP season promises exciting edge of the seat
drama... and sure it's about time... but I worry Rossi will get hurt
pushing the M1 past the Honda Freight Train for the lead...

For me what is really at stake here is the battle of engine
architects... a Rossi win might mean no V4/V5 in your future...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
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are they?

http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcdaily00/00yzfr1dyno.jpg

looks pretty flat over the useful range to me (thats a 2001 R1)

 

If only I could get Speed TV, I'd be watching it all...

-Keith

 

What are the limitations for this class? It is my understanding that they
run 500cc 2 stroke engines. Is this correct? Otherwise, why do they have
so much damn power?

 

1L 4-strokes as well. The 4-strokes are winning: honda's V5 and
Ducati's V4 are both making somewhere north of 200+ HP (probably
220-240).

 

Why is it that we don't see this type of technology in the US? Why did they
design 2 bikes (CBR-1000 and 600) based on the RC-211V, rather than just
sell it? What configuration is the RC?

 

I believe the GP rules stipulate non-production engines only. Superbike is
the other way around - production bikes only. Well, they have to be based
on them anyway. The RC-211V is a 990cc 5 cylinder bike ("V-5"). If you
check Google you should find several thousand results.

 

Also, there is already some significant trickledown. Both styling and
suspension for the CBR600RR and CBR1000RR are hgihly derived from
Moto-GP, the R1 has been influenced a fair bit ("Same ground clearance
as the M1", and probably a lot of other bits), and Ducati WILL be
introducing a V4 soon, if they end up on the podium on a regular
basis.

And lets face it, a stock CBR1K or R1, with well set-up suspension, is
only a couple of seconds slower round a track in the hands of a good
racer when compared with a Moto GP bike. 200+ hp is total overkill
for the street (hell, 150 hp is total overkill...)

 

Cut my wrist it will bleed Honda red not Ducati... but V4's are to good
of a engine to be dead and buried in the minds of today's sport
riders... a Ducati win might light light what I experience every ride...
V4s make it easy to go quick...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
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At that level it is impressive and it's all you'll ever need on the
street... but what would the higher output M1 show??? where Yamaha can't
afford to loose ground on the straights...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
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The two strokes are dead and almost buried.

I think you still could run one, but, only to come almost last. Thats where
Kawasakis are !!

 

Only prediction....Hayden on the podium!
John
02 VFR
00 RC51

 

Larry:
If the 2002 VFR Interceptor counts (I mean it is a V4) then I would have to
agree completely. I cannot see mysaelf parting with this bike anytime soon.
Such a great blend of twin and inline power. I want a RC211 in my garage!
John
02 VFR
00 RC51

 

You don't REALLY believe that, do you? OK, maybe the styling part, since
Honda paid the same designer to do all three. And a couple dogbones.
That's about it...

 

I predict that Kawasaki will rise from their MotoGP ashes within five
years. They currently have among the best supersport and liter bikes,
so hopefully a new GP design isn't far off.

Regards,

Tim Kreitz
2003 ZX7R
2000 ZX6R
DoD #2184
http://www.timkreitz.com <--Now in lovely green!

 

Do you know when and where it's on TV in the US?

 

Disappointed because an I-4 win is going to flush my prediction of
"there's a V4/5 in your future" down the toilet...

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2

 

http://www.speedtv.com/index.php

Larry L
94 RC45 #2
Have a wheelie NICE day...
Lean & Mean it in every corner of your life...
If it wasn't for us the fast lane would rust...
V4'S are music to the seat of my pants...
1952 De Havilland Chipmunk...
Yank and bank your brains loose...
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/-xlax-/
http://home.comcast.net/~netters2/
http://www.fox302.com/index.pl?s=vg&user=netters2

 

You should really try a Triumph Triple. It makes the VFR V4 seem anemic.
Now Larry's RC-45 has a 360 degree crank V-4, and that is a different story
altogether!

 

Four cylinders is just that, regardless of the layout. There's nothing
special about the V4 other than it's inherently smoother running than
an inline 4. Either one can be made to make the same HP and yes Larry.
the same torque as well. For instance they could build an inline 4
that stomps any sport twin down low. Narrow bores, exhaust back
pressure valve, long intake runners and variable valve timing.
Hell they're almost doing it already with the GSXR 1000.

But back to Pablo's concern. What's the engine layout have to do with
horse power???


Bob Nixon
Phoenix AZ
01 Sprint ST "RED"
03 Suzuki GSXR1000 "SILVER"