MOTOMAXY WARNING!

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Phil_Barone, Dec 24, 2005.

  1. Phil_Barone

    Phil_Barone Guest

    Hello everyone.

    I recently purchased the bike referred to as "Gina", the Ducati
    Hurricane that was featured in the latest issue of Superstreetbike in
    the January 2006 issue. I first saw Gina several months ago and was
    very impressed with the overall lines and nasty Streetfighter look. I
    sent Norman Brown, the owner of The Bike Center, Inc a deposit and the
    bike arrived a month or so later. Well, I'm sorry to say that while
    she photographs quite well, basically she was a pig and having given
    the Bike Center, Inc. a healthy deposit, I felt compelled to receive
    her. I mean it was either take her or lose my money. I figured I could
    clean her up and maybe Norman Brown might help contribute to rectifying
    the matter especially if he considered the infancy of his business.

    She came in desperate need of a paint job that was obviously never any
    good, the tail section was very crude and in need of some bondo and a
    trained hand. The tail section was also crooked as was the muffler, a
    Cherry Bomb, those things you used to put on your car as a teenager.
    The speedometer that I viewed while the bike was on the Motomaxy.com
    website mysteriously disappeared so I had no way of knowing how much
    mileage she had and in retrospect, Mr. Brown avoided many of my
    questions and would never talk to me or supposedly anyone on the
    telephone. His reasoning being that in his old age, he's become
    "reclusive". He's in his mid fifties. In one email, I asked him
    what year motor the bike had to which he conveniently didn't answer
    but you know how email is, sometimes you get so many that you just
    delete them and I just figured he was busy. I had to find out later
    from a dealer that the motor was from 1992! So far, Mr. Brown has not
    been able to tell me how much mileage is on Gina although I bought her
    as a "demo" and in many of the pictures that I was shown, the bike
    had a speedometer and I assume an odometer.

    Norman's son, who delivered the bike, put a bicycle speedo on for me
    but after he left I discovered that it hit the fender so I had to
    remove it. Since the weather was very cold here I never had the chance
    to take her for a ride until last weekend at which time the bike
    refused to start. After a few battery recharges and jump starts I
    finally managed to get an idle out of her if you'd even call it that.
    So, I took advantage of the fact that the bike was actually running,
    bundled up and headed straight for the local Ducati dealer. Although
    the bike stalled several times during the trip to the dealer I managed
    to keep it running as long as I kept the revs up and she backfired and
    sputtered like a car from an old black and white comedy film

    She was fun to ride through corners, very agile but in a straight line
    was unstable. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and was
    probably in denial so I kept telling myself that I'd get these
    details straightened out and I was certain that given the severity of
    the problems that the "manufacturer" would see to it that these
    issues were taken care of especially since it's a small world and
    word spreads fast. Upon my arrival at Rockwell Ducati, there was quite
    a lot of excitement when I pulled up on this rather unique bike but as
    I sat there gasoline poured from a line coming from the motor. Within a
    few minutes, the once jubilant crowd became rather quiet and I started
    to get looks of sympathy, especially when I told everyone what I paid.
    Nick, the owner of the shop, a very reputable Ducati dealership
    (www.rockwellcycles.com) agreed to keep her there and look her over.

    An hour or so later, I received a call from Nick Rockwell at which time
    he informed me that the rake on the bike was 17degrees which is unheard
    of and too dangerous to ride. Upon breaking, the front wheel hits the
    valve cover and oil cooler. I like to get a variety of opinions so I
    emailed the picture of the front end and rake to four frame builders
    and in a nutshell they were all appalled. One rather famous, top of
    the line bike builder who prefers to remain anonymous but who's name
    you'd know without a doubt told me that he emailed Norman when the
    bike first hit Motomaxy's website to ask if it was a joke.
    Apparently it was not a joke and he told me that he could never sell it
    and live with the fact that an accident is inevitable on a bike with
    such "irresponsible" geometry. The rake is so radical that it's not
    even an option to get a custom set of triple clamps to compensate or
    even mill down the valve cover. Mr. Brown's solution is to use a
    smaller tire on a bike that already handles so hyperactively any shrink
    would admit it to a psychiatric ward and immediately medicate it
    heavily with Thorzine.

    Norman Brown refuses to take any responsibility at all and I'm stuck
    with a $12,000 piece of junk from an out of state bike maker. The
    quality and overall workmanship of this motorcycle is terrible and even
    though I've offered to split many of the costs with Norman since I
    really like the way the bike looks he still refuses to contact me. I
    don't believe Norman is a bad man but having only made four frames in
    his life, you think he'd at least talk to me to see what we can work
    out. For your readers, take it from someone who feels seriously
    burned, before laying out any serious dough, please do extensive
    research before making a purchase such as this and until Norman accepts
    that there is a learning curve, stay away from Motomaxy.com.

    Present owners of Norman's bikes or accessories should have them
    checked out. I'm having my frame checked by Computrac before we hit
    the courtroom and I have two offers to buy her but under the
    circumstances won't sell her. The whole thing is such a shame because
    Norman is obviously above average in the creativity department but
    unfortunately the bikes pose a serious threat to the riders and if he
    just did a little more R & D he'd have some serious winners. Any
    suggestions, comments, or hate letters can be sent to me at
    . I also have pictures for the asking. Thanks
    very much. Phil
     
    Phil_Barone, Dec 24, 2005
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  2. A whole load of crap including:
    Before anyone takes this thread seriously, they might want to check out a
    few things that show Mr Barone's credibility...

    1) A post to this newsgroup a few weeks ago raving about this bike where he
    claims "Personal circumstance force me to sell this one of a kind Ducati
    which I just purchased two months ago. It's THE most beautiful and best
    handling Ducati I've ever ridden and as much as I don't want to sell
    her, I have to." (notice a slight change of opinion to that displayed in
    the quote up there?)

    Message-ID: <>

    2) His thread about his perceived problems with this bike where he rants
    and raves and vaccilates between being Motomaxys biggest fan and Motomaxys
    worst enemy:

    http://speedzilla.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13459&page=1&pp=10

    (see Motomaxy's rational attempts to sort out an unsatisfied customer
    rebuffed with a textbook example of bipolar disorder! See Phil claim the
    State Attorney General is going to personally litigate for him then get
    called on it with a link to the AG's website where they explain that they
    never do that!)

    3) His attempt at this same shitstir which got quickly shut down on the
    ducatimonster.org forums:

    http://www.ducatimonster.org/smf/index.php/topic,37608.from1135216341.html

    4) Some other peoples experience on the net at the hands of Mr Barone:

    http://www.gis.net/~schwartz/anom.html

    5) The google record of Mr Barone's past behaviour:

    http://www.google.com/search?q="Phil+Barone"

    (searching google for '"Phil Barone" -saxophone' is even more illuminating)

    I think Mr Barone has clearly shown his true colours in _many_ places
    around the net.

    Net kooks like Phil are a dime a dozen. Feel free to ignore or flame him as
    neccessary ;-)

    big
     
    Iain Chalmers, Dec 25, 2005
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  3. Phil_Barone

    Phil_Barone Guest

    I wish it was a bunch of crap. Believe me, I still like the way she
    looks but call Rockwell Cycles yourself and ask about the rake. It's
    off the charts. You know, you act like you're some kind of perfect
    person or something. Of course I look nuts, I'm mad as hell. These
    guys have BS'ed there way through the last two months. The bike was
    sold to me as a 2006 Hurricane and Norman can't tell me what motor is
    in it then along comes the local Ducati rep and he tells me it's a 92.
    Norman didn't know? Sorry, I'm not even that innocent. Norman's built
    FOUR frames and he hasn't learned what rake and trail is. It's
    understandable but live up to it. Take the bike back, fix it and make
    a customer that just spent 12 grand happy. Instead, he's been avoiding
    everything in including the worst paint job you've ever seen. The guy
    won't talk on the phone, what kind of crap it that?

    Instead, he gets all prideful, forgets about business and is going to
    get sued. I have a lot of dealers and frame builders ready to go to
    bat for me. Do me a favor and buy one of his swingarms and see what
    you get. Wadda ya think, I get some kind of kick from this? I wish it
    never happened especially since when I started my company I made
    mistakes too but damn if I didn't take responsibility for them and I'll
    tell you something else, he's not going to ever completely recover from
    this. Phil Barone
     
    Phil_Barone, Dec 25, 2005
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