Motorway Pace Cars...

You missed the point. He said "if you'd been around here", not "if
you'd been around".

HTH.

 

Well whoopee fucking doo. You've been around longer than me. Next
thing you'll be telling me I need to get more miles under my belt
before I comment on road use.

You've stated you'd shop the driver because he was a cop. It doesn't
really get any clearer than that.

 

No I haven't. I'll argue with them when I know I'm right but I'll not
give them a chance to make my life a misery if they choose to.

You've said you'd report the driver because he was a cop.

 

And this sort of thing is what I merant by "uk.r.m. taught me to
ride".

Not just Leo.

 

Are you being deliberately stupid?

We have had several posters who were police, some of whom were traffic
police, in the not to distant past. Several of whom were some of the
most helpful posters and offered help to a multitude of posters in a
multitude of ways.

It doesn't come as a shock. However reading ukrm would have meant you
would have come across at least a couple of decent ones.

This was, I believe, the point that Andy was trying to make.

However it's not really something that bothers me and since I'm feeling
rather fatigued, world-weary and empty at the moment I'll leave you to
your ranting.

 

You're not helping yourself.


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They're not supposed to be having fun. They're supposed to be
teaching earnest (ok) young (HAH!) learners (always learning) how to
ride a bike well and safely.

I think I'll take both the wisdom of the plod and the wisdom of the
foak on board and make up my own mind depending on the situation.
Foak does make more sense on the whole though...

fair point, well made.

Thanks for that. It's good to find out what other people look out for
and how they stay alive. ukrm can be useful!

 

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Horses for courses and all that stuff. I am not so sure about the
moving around bit and that it has any real effect but based on the fact
that the human brain is better at identifying moving stuff when it goes
across our field of vision I do the same.

Agree completely. It is a fundamental part of making good progress along
a route you know reasonably well imo.


Now the disagreements start.

Although to disagree with my previous statement I agree with that. You
will see me cruising along comfortably at not a bit over 70 officer in a
nice empty lane 1 while the cages are parked in lanes 2,3 and 4.

It don't happen. I don't know where you all get this from.

Now this is bollox. The only alternative to overtaking is not
overtaking and I wouldn't be considering the second if I were already
engaged in doing the first.

Yes but. Poisonally I don't watch the immediately adjacent drivers
because of the thousand yard stare thing which means my attention in
multiple lane type moving traffic is a few cars up the road. 20mph is
about 29feet a second. If I am overtaking at a mere 20 mph difference I
can get pass two motors travelling close together in about a second so I
really need to be concentrating on the third in the line and just hoping
to hell the cunts next to me doesn't do anything silly for the next half
a dozen ticks of the clock. Although in reality I pay more attention to
the spaces, for the simple reason that these are much sought after by
cagers and if one appears the whole load of them will immediately make
straight for it.

 

Whatever.

 

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:52:49 -0000, "Beav"

You know absolutely nothing about how I'd react in any circumstances
but I now know for sure you're a sneaky bastard who'd reach for the
phone to shop someone. That'll do for me.

 

It happens on occasion. I get this from spending three or four days a
week doing 70 miles on the M4 over the last four years; and also other
incidents over the preceeding 20 odd years.

It's not something that happens on a daily or even weekly occasion,
granted but it *does* happen.

Maybe I'm not making myself plain enough.

Overtaking (in this case) meant passing a car. This can be done by a
straightforward overtake, a straightforward undertake (which could mean
moving from lane 3 to 2 or 1 to undertake) or a filter between two cars.

In the case of a straighforward overtake I try to ready myself so if the
car I'm lining up to overtake pulls out I can dive on the inside or
check the state of the tarmac up to the centre reservation; could I ride
on it?

In the case of an undertake I look at the next lane in in case there is
the option to move one lane further to the left; in case the car driver
comes across trying to get out of my way and missing what I'm up to.

In the case of going between two cars, granted there's not a lot you can
do... however provided the cars are parallel and doing the same speed
then it's safe enough but what about the cars in front? Is the one in
front of the one on your left about to move right and hasn't seen you?

There's also the chance you could not overtake once you'd lined yourself
up for it *if* something changed.

Agree completely with all of this. Spaces mean a big risk; particularly
in very slow moving traffic because some people will move without
indicating because they fear if they indicate someone will block them.

 

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This brings it right back to the "open road regardless of the lane
number" bit.

It rather begs the thought that, as cagers do seem to want to compete
for these spaces as and when they occur: if there is any value which can
be attached to them so that we can assess the relative likelihood of
there being a rush or a gentle trickle to fill them as we plod along.

I think there might be and offer as evidence the fact that no **** in a
cage will use an almost empty lane 1 travelling at a rock steady 55mph
when they can fight for the right to park in lane 3.

Odd innit, the whole purpose of the cage is to journey and yet when
muppets get in them they try as hard as they can not to do it. I don't
understand it really I don't.

 

On an A road, on a sports bike, yes. In commute mode on a busy motorway
on a 20+ year old heavy, underbraked bike which tops out at about
115-120 no.

 

Quite a few? I'm going to have to sit and worry about exactly how many
people posting here are Secret Sam road traffic Nazis.

 

Oh do **** off. Go and patrol the motorways looking for people
breaking the law.

 

I often drive like that, particularly in the car. Of course, in a long
left-hand band I'll tend to stick to the (UK) inside and vice-versa,
but on the straight I don't see much point in moving in if I'm going
to move out again within a minute or two.

Indeed. And by doing so, you may also be aware earlier of plod
approaching at great speed from behind.

Maybe, but you still couldn't rely on it.

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I'm bored with this. You're a sad bastard who feels the need to shop
people for driving offences (cops are people as well btw) and I'm only
a small step above being a child molester because I think reporting
*anyone* for a driving offence is cuntish behaviour.

If you've got anything to add to that then feel free.