Mt White accident(s)??

Hey folks,

It's been a while - hi to those with whom I used to interact in this centre
of sparkling intellectual repartee. Any major changes in the last 5-6
mths??? Hopefully everyone has stayed reasonably upright in that time.

Couldn't ride the Mt White stage of the O.R. this morning - blocked at both
ends. Got home and had a message from a friend hoping I wasn't one of the
2(??) casualties - including 1 death - in a bike accident today. Anyone
know more about this?

Cheers,
Dave E (ZZR600 => ST2 (stolen) => '03 XX
....and no more you-know-who to kill me

 

A gixxer 750 ran wide and collided with an oncoming gixxer 1300. Hayabusa
rider died at the scene. 750 rider injured airlifted to hospital.

bugger

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

Radio report said 5 kays south of Mt White cafe.

But later said just before the Cafe..so dont know.

 

my sources say pacific hwy, mt white 3.7km north of cheero point road

in a 70 zone with a 45kmh rated corner, the 750 ran wide and had a head on
with the busa.

Busa rider died on scene.

750 rida air lifted in a pretty bad shape.

not much that we didnt know already

 

That sounds about the similar area couple of years back that some
wannabe-Rossi ran wide and took out a couple on a bike coming the other
way.

When will "they"(*) learn...save it for the track...


* not discounting the possibility that in this case the 750 rider had some
mechanical or otherwise issue outside their control whilst riding
conservatively... but generally there are plenty of other out-of-control
idiots witnessed up The Old Road on any given day.

 

2 riders from oroadsports forum were at the scene.

Read that thread (first 2 pages) for further details of exactly what
happened.

http://oroadsports.com/viewtopic.php?t=8165&sid=dbbf4e729331d26be1296aa7c7e2c4ab

or

http://tinyurl.com/dtjab

 

Noted the comment that the attending highway patrol cop directed that the
helmet NOT be removed.

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Sounds like one for the Coroner to investigate and determine whether this
directive was correct or resulted in the death.
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If there is no pulse I would have considered removing the helmet and
commenced CPR anyway.... bugger the cop.

A body with no pulse/breathing cannot wait for an ambulance....

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I also trust someone will file a formal complaint at the lack of
professionalism displayed by the cop.
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Time for some counselling and being put out to the bottom paddock if the cop
has that attitude.

 

<snippety>

There's a lot to be said for not removing the helmet. You don't know the
exact circumstances, so you're relying on hearsay. I certainly wouldn't
want *anyone* touching my helmet after an accident unless I grant
consent. If I'm not in a position to grant consent, well ...

<more snippety>

Again, this is hearsay. In this day and age, you need to weigh up the
consequences of your actions. Sure, there is a chance you *may* have
revived the rider, but at the same time you may also have mashed his
spinal chord in the act of removing the helmet. What would the coroner
say if he found that removing the helmet added to the deceased's trauma
before the deceased dropped off the mortal coil?

Removing a downed rider's helmet is a very tough call to make, and one I
hope I, and anyone else, never, ever have to face.

Does anyone remember that link to the instructions for stabilising a
downed rider?

-sanbar

 

Umm "at least somebody tried to save his life..."?

 

instructed in 1st aid that you do not remove a helmet UNLESS the rider is
not breathing
which was the situation in this case

 

Removing the helmet probably isn't going to kill the person, so if you save
the person's life, the coroner won't say anything, and if the person dies,
then I think the coroner would be looking to establish the cause of death, not
the cause of discomfort. I wouldn't think the trauma of removing a helmet is
going to cause noticeably more trauma than the fatal injuries the rider
suffered in a head on collision.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:34:39 +1000

When I did my motorcycle specific first aid course, the procedure was to
remove lid if they were not breathing, as they would die anyway, and
it's better to risk a possible neck injury than to die.

I think it very unlikely the coroner wouldn't know that, as it's in
every first aid course certificate. There is also such a thing as "good
samaritan laws" which say that if you do your best, and it isn't enough,
you are not liable.

Mind you - removing a lid from someone isn't easy, especially a modern
lid.

I wonder how many people at that scene had done a St John's course
recently?

Zebee

 

....I think they say that if you're acting in good faith, and you contributes
to the person's injuries or demise, then you're exempt from civil liablity.

Nev..
'03 ZX12R

 

My commiserations, divorce takes longer to get past than most people
recognise. Hang in there.

JL

 

Police are covered by the good faith policy.
were also protected from being personally sued, but you can sue the police
force.

yes, removing the helmet is a big call, but it could have been obvious that
he was already dead and not attempt would revive him.

The corroner will obviously be investigating it as with all deaths of this
nature.

if those who WERE THERE do wish to make a formal complaint then i suggest
they go to the local area command and speak to a duty officer, they may give
them the answers they are looking for, not just a way to complain. And they
can also get some counciling for it.

 

Hi John,

Thanks for the note. Yes, not a great time in my life but hopefully one
with very positive direction for both of us. Thankfully there is no anger
(yet) and certainly no fighting - no kids is a good thing - and I'm
determined not to let too many lawyers/accountants upgrade their cars from
our situation (or any at all for that matter).

Anyway, we never think these things will happen to us and yet they
apparently do. I'm the 'bastard' in this one - I called it so have to deal
with that.

Hopefully it will be over peacefully in time and we can all go get some
happy miles under our wheels!

Cheers,
Dave E

 

so whens the 999 coming ?

 

If I am not breathing then I am going to be dead very shortly unless
somebody intervenes.

If I am not breathing then I give everybody permission to remove my
helmet.
I would prefer you to have some first aid training but if you do not
then please try to save my life anyway.

**** is not too strong a would to describe the Police Officer who
issued this instruction.

Burnie M

 

Correction;
would should be word
The **** was correct

 

I think UNEMPLOYED would be an equally suitable term, preferably
with a taste of what its like behind bars thrown in.

GB