New bike in preparation for colder climes and WTF is that mod all about...

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by sweller, Oct 8, 2010.

  1. sweller

    Pip Luscher Guest

    Carb heater wivva PWM controller, though I can't read what the IC is
    easily. The 'Temperature' marking on the PCB kind of gives it away.
     
    Pip Luscher, Oct 8, 2010
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    ogden Guest

    Low compression would imply a large combustion chamber, so plenty of
    room for valves to do their thing without poking the piston. I think.
     
    ogden, Oct 8, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    That's the ambient temp. that the sensor uses as the switching point. I've
    only had one bike that seemed to carb ice and that occurred at well above
    ambient freezing, so a switching point of over 5C ambient temperature would
    seem right to me.

    It's a long time ago since I got rid of that bike, but IIRC, it was
    humidity that caused the problems, so carb icing happened more on cold,
    foggy mornings.
     
    wessie, Oct 9, 2010
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Really? I've only built car engines, but I've never met one yet where
    a valve stuck fully open wouldn't get clobbered by a piston. On the
    DOHC Fiat the piston tops had to be relieved so as not to get
    clobbered by valves when running normally.
     
    Colin Irvine, Oct 9, 2010
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    sweller Guest

    1600cc Ford OHC engines didn't, the 2.0l did.
     
    sweller, Oct 9, 2010
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    sweller Guest

    PWM?
     
    sweller, Oct 9, 2010
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    Alex Ferrier Guest

    Alex Ferrier, Oct 9, 2010
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    Alex Ferrier Guest

    Alex Ferrier, Oct 9, 2010
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Ta. Every day's a school day. And I see chains are becoming popular
    again.
     
    Colin Irvine, Oct 9, 2010
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    sweller Guest

    IIRC, SAAB H type engines (the ones in classic shape 900s) are chain
    driven and had a spate of chain breaks but were non-interference engines
    so it wasn't too bad.
     
    sweller, Oct 9, 2010
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    Indeed. My 08 Mazda 6 with MZR petrol engine whizzes the knocking sticks
    round by chain drive.
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    Pete Fisher, Oct 9, 2010
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    The 2.0 didn't either. I broke the cam belt on an old MK4 2 litre Ghia
    and the engine survived the experience.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Oct 9, 2010
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    sweller Guest

    Oh ok, I broke a belt on a 1.6 banger racing - I was told the 2.0l
    wouldn't have survived. Not that I can see me ever having another 2.0l
    Ford OHC. Ever. Again.
     
    sweller, Oct 9, 2010
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    This was many years ago when I was more into bangernomics.

    The only good thing about those old engines was that they were easy to
    work on but apart from that they'd seen their best days long before
    the MK4 came out.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Oct 9, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Um. Guesswork here but gluing a resistor on the outside is the easy
    option; heat will conduct through the metal to a certain extent and
    the fuel will carry heat to the venturi (or rather, the warmed fuel
    won't take so much heat from the venturi). Also, the sides of the
    float bowl are fairly flat and easy to stick a power resistor onto;
    the top of the carb is a poor shape for easy heat transfer.

    Trying to heat the incoming air stream would be physically harder and
    might introduce a restriction and the risk that if it broke then bits
    of heater wire might get ingested.
     
    Pip Luscher, Oct 10, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Umm. Surely that would require a potential divider circuit? If so then
    I can't see a heat sink to dissipate the heat from the other half of
    the potential divider.

    Could that blue box be a relay? There's a diode there (actually there
    are two on the PCB). If so then maybe it's some sort of saw-tooth
    oscillator that relies on the relay not activating until the current
    is high enough. The transistor and one of the spare amps could provide
    suitable buffering.
     
    Pip Luscher, Oct 10, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    http://www.velleman.eu/downloads/0/minikits/manuals/manual_mk138.pdf [1]
    has a scematic. It is a relay but my memory of analogue circuits seems to
    be shot because I can't give it a name...

    [1] from the link posted by Burnt
     
    wessie, Oct 10, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    I would've recognised it as a comparator without the feedback loop from the
    hysterical resistor. I can't remember any other op amp circuits, though, so
    wondered if that configuration had a different name. It's 8 years since I
    had anything to do with electronics and most of that was digital stuff.
     
    wessie, Oct 10, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    Aah.
     
    Pip Luscher, Oct 10, 2010
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