New blockade may be coming.

Heard from a mate working for Shell that a new blockade will be taking
place soon. Hopefully Blair will take note and bring the price back down.

Roll on November 14th.

I am off to fill up while I can








DF

 

Eh?

It's 87.9p at my local Shell garage. Is that unreasonable all of a sudden?
I remember placees charging 20% more than that not so long ago...

 

Oh great - more twats blocking the road for miles as they queue up to
squeeze another couple of litres in their tanks. Hopefully people will
remember what happened during the last non-existent blockade rather
than taking any notice of you.


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In uk.rec.motorcycles, ogden amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:

Unreasonable, yes. All of a sudden, no.

And?

 

That'll be nice.
Even more fuel spilling from fillers on corners.

Lucky winters coming - I might not even notice the lack of grip if they
use last years teflon-coated road salt again.

 

I disagree absolutely.

Oil is a finite resource which we are using rapidly. As we use it we
pollute the atmosphere causing health problems for the current
generations and environment problems for future generations.

We cannot trust people to act responsibly- cunts like me insist on
commuting 120 miles a day often in machinery managing sub 25 mpg.

The only thing we can do is try to price traffic off the road and whilst
it hits me in the wallet hard (personal fuel spend of about 4-500 quid a
month) I support the Governments efforts to cut fuel usage.

In any case are people naieve enough to think that if we didn't pay for
fuel through the nose that we wouldn't see income tax / national
insurance/ road tax / whatever rise?

Arguments about 'but what about the poor people in the country' have
some merit, arguments from the freight industry can **** off, they just
pass the charge onto the consumer and anyway all lorry drivers are
selfish motorway-blocking cunts.

 

I assumed he was a troll. Too idiotic to be real.

 

The giveaway was the cross posting.

I remember a post here a little while back that seemed to set off a mass
fuel purchase panic.

 

was it from you, talking about having a bonfire?

 

Heh.

No. I think it was from Batey or JP.

Probably the former.

I can't quite remember the circumstances but it was something like
something posted here was read by both and somehow the fact they both
had heard the same story was used as 'confirmation' that it was true
(even though there was a common source.)

IRC may have been involved as well.

Fucked if I can remember the actual mechanism now.

 

yes, I remember now - it was the Welsh ****, you're right.

 

I want to make this very clear, I'm not writing this because you snap
at my ankles at every opportunity, I'm writing this because having read
what you have written I am apalled at your stupidity.

There are lots of finite resources we are using rapidly, mad max style
fuel shortages might be a serious concern, but it isn't the first
bridge we have to cross, we are far more susceptible to running out of
electricity far sooner than oil. Not because electricity is scarce (I
hate having to write this, but you are obviously invapable of free
thought) but because generating capacity is falling while demand is
rising.

You should be far more concerned about the health problems of the foods
most people eat, the effects are far greater and far more serious.

look up the "tragedy of the commons"

the problem is not that cunts like you will use sub 25 mpg machinery
when there is no need to, the problem is that cunts like you will use
sub 25 mpg machinery and then utterly dissociate yourselves from any
shared responsibility for the vast impact this has on societies the
world over when we invade countries like iraq, which just happens to
have vast oil reserves, to promote "democracy", uttery destroy society
there, and as a knock on effect rack things a couple of notches higher
here towards a police state where wearing a "bollocks to blair" tee
shirt or being a pensioner who isn't afraid to answer an awkward
question at a public debate gets you arrested under anti terrorism
legislation.

your naievete would do credit to a three year old.

fuel taxation is about revenue, NOTHING else.

I suppose you also think high street "price matching" is for your
benefit and not a nice little end run around price fixing laws by
companies with a common vested interest in saying to each other "no
price wars on this stuff OK, we'll all maintain good margins here."

we are just about the highest taxed country on the planet, guvvmint
budget is some 400+ billion pounds per year.

subtract 11 billion for the NHS

we're down to 390 billion

you do the math, if you're able.... new privatised rail companies that
were stolen from every citizen cut corners and eventually kill people,
companies go to government asking for extra handouts as they are broke,
government gives them money, more money than BR got back when it was
nationalised, which was too expensive so it was privatised remember,
what happens next? a few days later privatised rail companies announce
record dividends for their shareholders

the bulk of UK government spending goes on waste or graft

you wanna do something about cunts who run inefficient vehicles?

bring back RAC engine ratings and tax people accordingly, £20 per BHP
per annum will do very nicely....

meanwhile go out and try and buy a 1000cc or less motor car, used to be
a wide choice, now it's a smart car or what?

when petrol was _genuinely_ short we had rationing with coupons, 1.5
gallons per week for civvies like you on non essential uses

until we have coupons again (even if for 15 gallons a week) don't
believe for a nanosecond that anything is about anything except money
and profits and revenue.

thanks, here is devon since we got rid of national/regional bus
companies were screwed, no public transport system will get you from
any town or village into the major employment centres in time for work
early in the morning, or home after a late finish, when small companies
like red admiral try to provide such a service to meet actual need
between say exeter and honiton, what happens, stagecoach blitz the
route with buses running five minutes ahead of the red admiral ones,
cheaper fares too, within a few weeks red admiral has to stop running
empty buses, waste of money, within a few days stagecoach also drops
the route entirely, meanwhile it still gets huge subsidies from exeter
council.

no private transport here = you don't go there or you walk / cycle.

they'd like to, doesn't work that way in practice, if you wanna go out
of business real quickly just revise your tariffs every few days when
pump prices change, or just make em high at year beginning to pad out
all those anticipated rises.

take it you don't hold an hgv ticket then

sure they'll be quite happy to stay at home on the dole while you
starve to death naked and freezing because everything your miserable
life depends on is shipped by trucks who use the roads as a place of
work while you **** around getting sub 25 mph in their workplace.

 

My old H1 was sub-20mpg when caned hard, and I'd love another one.

 

Trying to price people off the road will never work , all it does is add to
the wage demands of the staff at the next wage negotiation round

 

That stupid argument got us the congestion charge. Now only rich people are
allowed to clog up the town center - soon only the rich will be allowed on
motorways and then on any road. Well done to the 'Labour' government.

 

a) Unless you want gridlock, the use of roads must be rationed by some
means or other - I can't think of a practical alternative to cost.

b) If you wish to reduce the tax on petrol you must either cut public
services or raise tax elsewhere.

Two arguments that to me mean tax on petrol should be raised, not
lowered.

 

What's an "H1"?

 

yeah, but would you use it to commute 60 miles each way every day?

(back when I had one, which was always a bit ropey and prolly never saw
18 mpg, me with 3 spare plugs in each pocket, living in corwall at the
time, sundays you didn't ride it, cos it didn't have the range to get
from one open filling station to the next on the a38... only thing I
ever had less practical was a sohc 750 hardtail with a stupidly tuned
engine and a 1.1 us gallon peanut tank with no reserve....)

 

two arguments that mean you are a complete stranger to logic.

item b) assumes public services are _barely_ funded by taxation, this
is not so.

say 15 billion for the NHS, say 20 for edukayshun, say 15 for plod, say
50 for a mega integrated bus and train system, say 15 for a first class
waste removal and recycling system, wow, we're up to a whole 115
billion, some 300 billion less than UK government total budgets, where
does the rest go?

you wanna take 100 billion for the armed forces?

still leaves 200 billion, or half of all taxation in this country,
unaccounted for.

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if you want to cut congestion, limit vehicles.

1 vehicle per household, overnight cure to the problem.

better still, no off road parking space eg driveway/garage = no vehicle
permit, might do something about streets of houses with only on road
parking and 2 or 3 cars per household, THAT is the bloody problem.

 

Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid. You omitted the words "peak" and
"conurbation" from (a) - the roads are generally fine outside of
commuting hours, especially outside of cities. And as for (b), it's
utter tosh that public spending should rise continuously. The State
already confiscates half the GDP and that's way too much. How much do
you think they should take? 100%, by your "reasoning".