just received an email from one of the local bike shops with the prices for a new guzzi (norge), from the basic bike to the one with panniers, top box, and heated handgrips there is a 00 jump. Does this sound reasonable? I know if I wanted heated grips I could get much cheaper aftermarket ones. Would there be any benifit to getting Guzzi panniers? At the moment I'm thinking aftermarket. That is if it isn't going to be too hard find aftermarket brackets considering the bike isn't expected to be released until sometime in Mid September. This is, of course, if I can get some money out of the bank ;-) __ Cheers The Happy Drunk Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy, and go well with Tomato Sauce.