Niall Ferguson's "Ascent of Money" (Channel 4)

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Champ, Nov 17, 2008.

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    Champ Guest

    Bloody marvellous - I like his style anyway, but this new series
    weaves the history of promisary notes and banking in with the current
    credit crisis to make a fascinating hours viewing.

    Tonight's episode is repeated on on Wednesday on More4, it seems.

    Recommended.
     
    Champ, Nov 17, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    I must admit I found it somewhat shallow and unsatisfying - beneath
    the intelligence of anyone likely to be interested enough to watch it,
    IYSWIM.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 17, 2008
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    SD Guest

    I've been quite impressed with Bremner, Bird and Fortune's take on the
    subject.
     
    SD, Nov 17, 2008
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    wessie Guest

    I thought about watching that, but plumped for the Stalin thing. That was
    rather dull. I think I'll download AoM just to see which camp I fall into.
    Place bets...
     
    wessie, Nov 17, 2008
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    Champ Guest

    <crushed>

    Oh.

    Well I found it interesting. The failure of Spain to get rich on its
    new found silver and gold was not something I'd considered before, and
    I thought the Mesopotamian tablet that "promised to pay the bearer.."
    fascinating.
     
    Champ, Nov 18, 2008
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    Lady Nina Guest

    TV Programme about Money.
    <passes Colin the agreed sum>
     
    Lady Nina, Nov 18, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    I don't know why I don't watch them, 'cos every time I do I enjoy it.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 18, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Sure - that's fair comment. But I'd call them fun facts, whereas I was
    expecting more from a programme that borrowed it's title from
    Bronowski and claimed to chart the rise of global finance and analyse
    the trail to the credit crunch. Maybe that's to come.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 18, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Bugger - I wondered where that apostrophe had got to.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 18, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    Maybe one day we can have a programme charting the "Ascent of Apostrophe".
     
    platypus, Nov 18, 2008
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    Tosspot Guest

    I have a vision of an Ape wielding an apostrophe to the sound of
    Straus's "Thus Spake Zarathustra".
     
    Tosspot, Nov 18, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    ^^^
    And to good effect it would seem.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 18, 2008
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    Tosspot Guest

    Buggroff, I looked that up and stand by it, posessive ending in S I'm
    allowed to put s's.
     
    Tosspot, Nov 18, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    Strauss is his name. You do not put an apostrophe in the middle of
    someone's name. Really.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 18, 2008
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    Tosspot Guest

    <googles> Oh fuckit!

    Right then, so if Mr. Strauss was to own something, say a widget,
    would it be Strauss's widget?
     
    Tosspot, Nov 18, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    Just as well because 4OD is playing silly beggars again. Stopped at 94%
    claiming no disk space when there is oodles of it.

    BTW - no need to keep the Underground Bunker (unless you want to) as
    that completed OK.

    Curiouser and curiouser.
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    Pete Fisher, Nov 18, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    Working again now. I could have sworn I had installed it to my D: drive.
    Seems a programmer descendant of Thor Heyerdal decided that it should
    not be possible to choose where to store downloads. Wouldn't start again
    until I had at least 500Mb free on my C: drive.

    Done now. From your review, I am expecting a cross between Bronowski,
    Schama and Burke.

    Critique to follow.

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    Pete Fisher, Nov 18, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    IMHO yes. There's is no universally accepted straight answer. I've
    seen more recommendations that would result in Strauss's than I have
    Strauss'.

    Personally I tend to spell such possessives as I say them - so
    Strauss's widget but Buggins' turn.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 18, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    So, I have to admit I haven't finished watching it yet, partly because
    it didn't really 'grab' me.

    I would have liked more on the 'invention' of money. He seemed to skip
    too quickly via the conquistadors to the Medicis.

    The 'credo' reference is naturally the nub of it all. The frequent
    mentions of belief must irritate you.

    Not sure I buy his "money is the root of - everything" tack. I suspect
    money wouldn't have developed without agriculture as a precursor but I
    am sure LN will point me at anthropological examples of hunter gatherer
    monetary systems.

    At first I found the typical fast cut, attention span of a gnat image
    references annoying, but it seemed to calm down a bit later.

    Overall, much more 'Connections' than 'Ascent of Man', but I will watch
    the rest (and the following episodes).

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    Pete Fisher, Nov 19, 2008
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    darsy Guest

    we watched this last night.

    A. got very annoyed at me tutting at, and correcting the
    generalisations of the presenter.

    Plus, the - extremely obvious - retro-edited "I knew what was going to
    happen before all the economists did" style wound me up no end.
     
    darsy, Nov 19, 2008
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