nikasil replating

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Technical Discussion' started by Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 18, 2007.

  1. There are a bunch of places now advertising nikasil repair.
    Has anybody ever had this repair done ? By whom ?
    Were you happy with the result ? How much did it cost ?

    For a 1000 cc airhead BMW twin, it looks like somewhere
    between $350 - $450 for two cylinders stripped, repaired
    as needed, plated and brought to spec.

    I just stumbled into a set of cylinders and am considering
    this repair.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 18, 2007
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  2. No idea, but that sounds cheap. What airhead boxer do you have, out of
    interest?

    (As one who has a soft spot for them)
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 18, 2007
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  3. Rob,

    I've used Millennium Technologies for snowmobile cylinders and was very
    impressed with their work. It was about 4 years ago and cost a little over
    $200 per cylinder. The snowmobile is still running well.

    http://www.mt-llc.com/index_home.shtml

    Martin
     
    Martin Walker, Apr 18, 2007
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  4. '88 R100 GS.

    The current cylinders have 137,000 miles on them.
    They survived a badly trashed rod bearing and got
    transplanted onto a new short block, so I'd say
    they've served honoraby.

    Over the weekend I acquired several damaged
    cylinders as part of a milk crate full of bits
    and pieces. I'm thinking of sending these out
    for replating while I continue to run on the old
    worn set.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 18, 2007
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  5. The bike is an '88 R100GS.

    The cylinders are the originals with 137,000 miles on
    them. They survived a badly trashed rod bearing at
    95,000 miles and got transplanted onto a new short block,
    so I'd say they've served honorably.

    Over the weekend, I acquired several damaged cylinders
    as part of a milk crate full of BMW bits. The plan would
    be to send these out for plating while continuing to run
    on the clapped out originals.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 18, 2007
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  6. <snip>

    I like them. Have you uprated the front brake? I always found the
    single disc a bit terrifying, but here there are billet caliper
    replacements.
     
    chateau.murray, Apr 18, 2007
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  7. Mine now sports an oilhead Brembo 4 pot caliper
    turned ass backwards and machined very slightly
    to align with the disk.

    This puts the larger pistons wrong way round but
    improves the stopping enormously and costs
    almost nothing. Total job costs were under $100,
    including machining and fluids.

    Having ridden a DT400 with ornamental mini drum
    brakes on both wheels, I'd be hard pressed to call
    anything else terrifying. The oilhead 4 pot is
    certainly a nice improvement though.

    I also added a taller 5th gear which brings freeway
    cruising speed up by maybe 5 mph or a little better.

    Having done a few long trips trying to keep up with
    oilheads, brakes and top speed were the two things
    I found bothersome. Both of these have been mitigated.
    It's also lighter than an oilhead, which I like.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 18, 2007
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  8. I didn't even know the Brembo calipers had different-sized pistons, to
    be honest. That sounds like a really neat (and cheap!) mod.
    OK, another question: what did you do here? My last airhead boxer was a
    R100S, RS-ised (engine was the same big-valve lump anyway), but running
    the 32/11 rear drive box for taller overall gearing. I didn't know you
    could get a taller fifth gear.

    I'd *love* to raise fifth on my K, actually. It's just fractionally
    undergeared on stock gearing.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 18, 2007
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  9. Siebenrock offers taller 5th and lower 1st gears.
    Both are a little weird in that they involve a gear
    of the same diameter with one less tooth and funny
    tooth angles to make up for the missing tooth.
    (think appalachia).

    Top gear is pretty easy, as it's just a matter of
    replacing one helical gear with another. Bottom
    gear is tricker and requires that you press a whole
    gear cluster apart, swap in the funny gear then
    reassemble it.

    I had this done when the gearbox was already
    apart for new helical gears, so the extra cost
    was again under $100. The work was done by
    somebody else who had more clues than I do
    how to repair transmissions.

    Dunno if there's anything for a K bike. What about
    just changing the final drive ratio ? If you could live
    with a taller first, this might be easier.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 18, 2007
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  10. Well, that's the thing: I do like the lower gears. The gearing on the LT
    is slightly shorter than it is for the RS so yes, I could just stick an
    RS final drive on it.

    As it is, it's geared for maybe 135 at the redline, but the engine has
    so much torque I could sacrifice a bit of top gear flexibility for a
    more relaxed cruise at (say) 85-90.

    My last tourer was a Triumph Trophy 1200, which was overgeared - if you
    could have got it to the redline in top, it'd have been doing 170 or so.
    But again, the engine was super-torquey, and so top gear was a nice
    relaxed touring gear.

    I'd like to have that attribute on the BMW.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 18, 2007
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  11. It's theoretically possible to cut a gear that will do that and
    one or more people are crazy enough to do that for the
    airheads. On the airheads, a one tooth difference
    bumps the top end gearing by ~ 6%.

    You could try Siebenrock and/or

    At Siebenrock, be prepared to wade through some strange
    computer generated German->English translations.

    Not too surprisingly, there seem to be lots of folks
    dealing in exotic BMW parts in Germany.
     
    Rob Kleinschmidt, Apr 19, 2007
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