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Which is why I said abstract rather than Abstract.

Not necessarily - just something which requires a demonstrable skill to
produce, other than imagination (talking for myself here, not trying to
second-guess Ace's opinion). In many (most?) cases that does mean
something representational I suppose.

I don't want it to be, I just don't like it when it isn't. If people
want to paint coloured blocks or exhibit unmade beds that's up to them,
but as far as I'm concerned there's no skill involved in that
whatsoever[1], & that's the one thing left I can appreciate even if I
don't like the end result.

The only response that generates in me is "oh look, another talentless
(or lazy, or self-indulgent) 'artist' ripping off the gullible
luvvies"[1]. The musical equivalent would be me playing Chopsticks on
the piano.

[1] As proven by the toddler's 'Abstract Art' on That's Life many years
ago.

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But a lot of it *is* easy to invent, & generally speaking that's the
stuff I dislike. In fact, hang on a sec...

....there you go, I've just created two Abstract masterpieces - a sofa
with some remote controls & magazines carefully placed on it, & a small
fluffy bunny squashed between two parts of a ground anchor. Should I
phone the Tate & ask them if they'll exhibit them? All I need to do is
come up with some bullshit to explain the meaning of them[1], & I'll be
a bona fide modern artist.

[1] "The rabbit represents the soft, vulnerability of life when encased
in the hard reality of life in a modern crime-ridden city".

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The artist was a boater, the clues are there.

http://www.discountboatingholidays.co.uk/grfx/narrowboat_2.jpg


http://www.etc.cmu.edu/projects/atl/images/rothko/Rothko-WhiteOverRed.jpg

Chris Deuchar will be here shortly to wibble about this.

 

You tell me. I do recall asking your opinion at the time, or more
likely after I'd already decided on them, but I think you were already
familiar with the brand beforehand.

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That would imply that I knew something about it, which I wouldn't
pretend in my wildest lying moments.

No, I'll just say that all art that's not specifically designed to
look "nice" is shite. I fundamentally disagree with your stated view
that it's the job of 'art' to provoke a reaction - it's the job of art
to look nice, and nothing else.

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That's far too specific a definition. "Shite" is good enough, as I'm
not trying to categorise it in anyone else's terms.

Ahh, maybe that _is_ what I mean then.

Why must you insist on sullying the name of music by calling it 'art'?

Something like Rothko

Yeah and it's shite. < he says without looking>.

OK, I'll have a look. Oh, coloured blocks. How clever.

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I disagree - the test would be if it was taken seriously as a piece of
art. I'm fairly sure it would be if it was exhibited alongside
'genuine' pieces, & the luvvies would gather around it discussing my
motivation & commenting on how the colour of the DVD remote against the
dark red of the sofa reminds them of blah blah blah. And I'd be
standing in the corner absolutely pissing myself.

I really don't think that analagy holds, but why don't you try it?
Write something, record it using a PC, & setup a MySpace account. You
never know, you might be the next Gnarles Barkley ;-)

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My whole fucking life is Art, you Philistine.

Why, this very minute I have placed an empty tin of herring on the
radiator in the sure and certain knowledge that in the morning it will
emphasise the recreational chaos that is life and counterpoint the rigid
logic-driven entity of the desktop, both real and virtual.

So there.

 

*Genius* I'll give you 5 million quid for it.


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Dr. Willson [1] purchased a suit from them in the late 80s or (more
likely) early 90s. Impressive leather and well made. The impact padding
was visco elastic foam, which felt thick and absorbant, but in fact
loses most of its impact energy attenuation when warm/moist (so
perspiration is rather a negative!). On the whole, however..

<cues re-opening of arguments from earlier in the posting>

....very good "caveat emptor" kit.

[1] For relevance, check out the history of the standards on either my
company web site, under the "Standards" menu, or the BMF Riderspace
under the "Briefing Room" menu.

 

Heh heh.

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MWHID.

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Simon Gates says...

I just counted up the ones I own, *not* including the company samples I
use on a regular basis. I have 11 pairs of gloves.

 

To be fair, an image on a web site is hardly the best way to view a
Rothko. If you were inclined to give him a chance you might want to find
one near you and get a good close look at the real thing (iirc, about 6
inches is a good viewing distance for a large Rothko, but I cba to dig
out my Taschen on the subject)
But (and there's always a but), the only emotional response Rothko
manages to invoke in me is boredom. I get what he was trying to do, but
it just doesn't work for me.

On a similar note, I never really "got" impressionist painting til I
spent some time in galleries. Seeing stuff in the flesh, and learning a
bit about what you're looking at, turns it from an alien world into
something potentially quite inspiring. And that includes "modern art",
even if the majority of it is utter cack.

 

I was specifically thinking of the specially invited opening night
crowd, including the critics. If they take it seriously, then it
automatically becomes a piece of art, regardless of whether anyone
actually likes it or not.

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ISTR that you wear glasses - short sighted? Take them off, then paint
what you see. Instant impressionism, it is possible that the
impressionists simply couldn't see properly.

 

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"I don't know what good art is, but I can't fucking subtract."

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That explains why Tolouse Luatrec painted a lot of crotches.

 

Most Punk is a piece of piss to play, agreed.
Its playing it with the right attitude that's not quite so easy.

Agreed.
Why didn't somebody explain that to Yes in the early 1970s?

 

I was hoping no-one would spot that...
Thanks. Mate.