not so obscure objects of desire (long-ish, and probably boring)

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by darsy, Oct 27, 2006.

  1. Bad form and all that - it was unlikely to be a 100cc 2-stroke since
    the one I was thinking of was a Honda H100..

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Oct 27, 2006
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  2. Something tells me someone has been sniffing the coffee beans again..

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Oct 27, 2006
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  3. darsy

    darsy Guest

    I assumed that was the case.

    Why were they better though than, say, a Honda CB750?
     
    darsy, Oct 27, 2006
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I'm not sure that they were better but to anyone with a slight element
    of hooligan rider about them they were preferable.

    To me it's like comparing a CBR6 to a ZX6R. The CBR6 is a perfectly
    good bike but it's bland.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Oct 27, 2006
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  5. darsy

    darsy Guest

    fair enough.
     
    darsy, Oct 27, 2006
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    Ace Guest

    The cb750 gave a noticeable power improvement over the bonnies etc. of
    the day together with smoothness and tractability throughout the
    range.

    The H1, because its power all came in a very limited power band, gave
    much more of a feeling of power - TWO at the right revs would give a
    much greater sensation of acceleration that the honda, albeit not
    necessarily giving better performance figures overall.

    And it had a flexi-frame, which somehow seemed to enhance the whole
    thing. I only rode one once, back in the late 70s when the superbikes
    of the day included Z1000s and Laverda Jotas and it was _still_ a
    sphincter-tightening experience :eek:)

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    Ace, Oct 27, 2006
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    TOG Guest

    **** no. I had one of those - same colour, even - in the early 1980s.
    It was the worst model of SOHC Honda CB750 they ever produced.
     
    TOG, Oct 27, 2006
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  8. darsy

    TOG Guest


    As Ace says, fun factor. CB750 was big, heavy and actually not that
    nice to ride. Its importance was that it put all the essential elements
    of a big-cube Jap bike together, for the first time: four cylinders,
    smoothness, speed, reliability.

    Modern Jap superbikes may have ally beam frames, watercooled engines
    and electronics, but they are recognisable descendants of Honda's
    original concept.

    The Kawasaki was raucous fun. It was as quick - or as slow - as the
    CB750, in a smaller package. At zero-5500 rpm, **** all happened. You
    hit 6000 rpm and it went ballistic. Then it was all over by 8000rpm.
    And the noise, the noise... All triples sound funky, but a two-stroke
    triple, with straight-cut primary gears... it just *shrieked*.

    Brakes - adequate with the disc models. God knows what the durm-braked
    original was like.

    Handling... all the stories are true. When test-riding the H1 I bought,
    I found myself going into what turned out to be a 90 degree right
    hander rather faster than intended, and hit the front brake hard.
    Nothing. Absolutely zero. Went in on a trailing throttle, trying to
    avoid losing the back end with the back brake, and it just went all ovr
    the road. Turned out the seller had coated the thing, *INCLUDING THE
    FUCKING DISC* with WD40 as winter storage.

    Oh, and it did 25mpg. 30mpg on a good day. A Very Silly Motorcycle. Of
    modern bikes, I think only the original TL1000 has ever got close to
    its combination of raw power, inadequate chassis and appalling fuel
    consumption.

    They were essentially reliable, although they ate plugs. They just wore
    out fast. As did the rider.
     
    TOG, Oct 27, 2006
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  9. Do you run amok with large weapons (fnarr) when under the influence of
    caffeine?

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Oct 27, 2006
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  10. darsy

    central Guest

    <snip horror story>

    It also has to put in context: 4 strokes were for grown ups - every
    holligan graduated on 2 strokes, learners on RD250s if you had the money,
    T250s or DS7s if you didnt. First bike after the test would be an RD350/R5
    or T500. The H1/H2 thing was a logical aspiration. Remember, there was no
    such as a ten year old 1000cc sports bike to pick up cheap, and the CB750,
    even if affordable, would have been just 'too sensible'. There was the Z1,
    of course, that was for pools winners.

    <fx: feels very old...>
     
    central, Oct 27, 2006
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  11. err.. no. I think I'll pass on that one.

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Oct 27, 2006
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    ogden Guest

    24 hours, 24 motorcycles, 24 wives?
     
    ogden, Oct 27, 2006
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  13. darsy

    Lozzo Guest

    darsy says...
    Funnily enough, even though I've owned a basket-case 1970 Ducati and
    seen some absolutel horrors in the name of Italian engineering, I've
    always lusted after one of the post 1990 900SS's and the 996/998's, but
    only the SPs. Apart from that the only other bike I've really lusted
    after but never owned is an RC30 - I almost bought one but bought a
    house and got married instead.

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    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    GSF600SW (broked)
    'I do not object to people looking at their watches when I am speaking.
    But I strongly object when they start shaking them to make certain they
    are still going.' William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett, Oct 1960.
     
    Lozzo, Oct 27, 2006
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  14. darsy

    Lozzo Guest

    darsy says...
    I forgot to add..

    I felt quite disappointed by the ZX-9R I owned. I'd wanted one since I
    first set eyes on one in green back in 1998. The one I bought wasn't a
    bad one, in fact it was in beautiful condition and did everything it was
    meant to well, but I never clicked with it and was happy enough to sell
    it on and buy something different.

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    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    GSF600SW (broked)
    'I do not object to people looking at their watches when I am speaking.
    But I strongly object when they start shaking them to make certain they
    are still going.' William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett, Oct 1960.
     
    Lozzo, Oct 27, 2006
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  15. darsy

    Lozzo Guest

    darsy says...
    I've ridden one that belonged to one of my customers when I was working
    in Norwich, around 1992 when I had my VFR750K. It felt like a posh VFR,
    was no faster and didn't really handle any better, but it was
    beautifully made.

    On a vaguely linked note, David Silver has new original USD forks
    complete for those up for sale at 300ish quid a pair. Top of the range
    Showa kit IIRC and very valuable in their day. Reason they don't sell?
    No-one bought NR750s to start with, but they'd make a good set of forks
    for a special.

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    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    GSF600SW (broked)
    'I do not object to people looking at their watches when I am speaking.
    But I strongly object when they start shaking them to make certain they
    are still going.' William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett, Oct 1960.
     
    Lozzo, Oct 27, 2006
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  16. darsy

    Lozzo Guest

    darsy says...
    For the same reasons a Bandit 1200 is more desireable than a XJ900
    Divvie. Ther Bandit can be a hooligan bike, the XJ makes you fall
    asleep.

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    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    GSF600SW (broked)
    'I do not object to people looking at their watches when I am speaking.
    But I strongly object when they start shaking them to make certain they
    are still going.' William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett, Oct 1960.
     
    Lozzo, Oct 27, 2006
    #36
  17. darsy

    Hog Guest

    Was this the oval piston thing? IIRC the tech found it's way into the
    race cars?
     
    Hog, Oct 27, 2006
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  18. darsy

    Hog Guest

    I rode Adie's for an afternoon with Susie as pillion. Perfectly
    competent, hard to fault, but just kind of dead feeling. Nothing that
    made you go Wow in a Gixxer stylee.
     
    Hog, Oct 27, 2006
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  19. darsy

    Lozzo Guest

    central says...
    Very well put. The only other options back then were pieces of shit Brit
    machinery.

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    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    GSF600SW (broked)
    'I do not object to people looking at their watches when I am speaking.
    But I strongly object when they start shaking them to make certain they
    are still going.' William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett, Oct 1960.
     
    Lozzo, Oct 27, 2006
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  20. darsy

    Lozzo Guest

    Champ says...
    I like them and I'm looking for one to use as a track bike. They do
    everything they were designed to do with room to spare, and stay
    reliable with it.

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    Lozzo
    Triumph Daytona 955i SE (Black with added black bits)
    GSF600SW (broked)
    'I do not object to people looking at their watches when I am speaking.
    But I strongly object when they start shaking them to make certain they
    are still going.' William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett, Oct 1960.
     
    Lozzo, Oct 27, 2006
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