not so obscure objects of desire (long-ish, and probably boring)

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by darsy, Oct 27, 2006.

  1. darsy

    darsy Guest

    No, it isn't. Similar, but not the same.

    Africa Twin is the XRV750 (or earlier, XRV650). The Trans Alp is the
    XL600V or XL650V. I'd be surprised if you didn't have the XRV750 in
    North America.
     
    darsy, Oct 28, 2006
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  2. Er, Dodger, a decent Shadow costs at least £20k now, and concours ones
    are pushing £30k. My guess was that £1195 then was £7-8k now, which I am
    pleased to see was on the money.

    So it has rather outperformed inflation.
    Yes, that's so.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 28, 2006
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  3. darsy

    Ace Guest

    When the first one came out in 1991 it was amazing - I recall bike
    mag's feature on it, which described the engine as 'one of the wonders
    of the world'. 76bhp out of an 850cc twin was still thought of as
    impressive, and the grunty delivery didn't let it down.

    I bought one in 1992 and never had a harsh word to say about it -
    engine, brakes, handling all were fine, by the standards of other
    bikes of the era. The brakes were lifted straight off the exup, which
    was still the king of the sports bikes until the 'blade came along and
    toppled it, so to suggest they were inadequate is disengenious.

    Five years on things had moved forward significantly, so I can imagine
    that the 'new improved' version would have made the old one feel flat,
    although IIRC it hadn't noticeably increased the power output. I never
    rode one though.

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    Ace, Oct 28, 2006
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  4. FFS, Ace. It was a dog. And your memory of Bike's test is seriously
    selective. I have a copy of it here (September 1991 issue).

    I quote: "Relatively unstable at high speed."

    "Neither braked nor handled as well as a racer rep."

    "As a loftily hyped concept the TDM850 is seriously flawed."

    "Crashing up and down the box is a singularly unrewarding experience"

    "The rear shock has firmer compression damping than the forks which, in
    isolation, can jolt the back end uncomfortably and in fast turns, can
    stir the bars into a weave."

    "What is unforgiveable is a seat that's too soft for a sit-up riding
    position which not only holds you in one place but throws most weight
    onto your bum."

    Engine vibration at 70-90 was described as annoying, the fairing was
    criticised, the brakes were grabby....

    Conclusion: "Only a few modifications way from being the absolute
    all-round business"
    It was so bloody *dull*. The engine sounded like a 250 Super Dream. The
    gearbox was utter, utter shite. The suspension was ultra-cheap and
    shagged out in seconds. Brakes were OK, yes.

    Later models werre rather better. The original was unfinished - and had
    a nasty reputation for blowing up, too.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 28, 2006
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  5. I can remember looking at them in the shops MMMmmm

    http://www.classicbikes.co.uk/machine3.html
     
    eric the brave, Oct 28, 2006
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  6. darsy

    Ace Guest

    On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:08:16 +0100,
    <snip>

    <shrug>

    Well, I liked it.

    <sulk>

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    ..'_/_|_\_'. Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom)
    \`\ | /`/ GSX-R1000K3 (slightly broken, currently missing)
    `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
    `\|/`
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    Ace, Oct 28, 2006
    #66
  7. <G>

    Well, that's it, innit? I've liked loads of bikes that some people (OK,
    most) would consider complete piles of crap.

    I still own a few, actually.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 28, 2006
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  8. darsy

    deadmail Guest

    I've mixed feelings. I've owned several triples.

    The KH400 was the best of the bunch.

    Best possible is probably an S chassis with an H1 motor (the H2 motor is
    a little too big I think).

    If I had a heated garage and more time on my hands I'd buy an H2. The
    H1 is nice but I've not had an H2.
     
    deadmail, Oct 28, 2006
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  9. darsy

    Eddie Guest

    < snip >

    [H1]
    You had one, didn't you? Albeit, not a running one.

    Actually, I wonder if it's time for a Project "Box of Dog" status
    update, since the last one was over three years ago...
    http://groups.google.com/group/uk.rec.motorcycles/msg/0c82411e2e0ffdd1

    Nope, nothing's changed since then.
     
    Eddie, Oct 28, 2006
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  10. darsy

    muddy cat Guest

    I've only seen a few and only one close up. It had Trans Alp on the
    fairing, but I can't remember the headlight configuration. I'll have to
    look closer next time I see one.
     
    muddy cat, Oct 28, 2006
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  11. darsy

    darsy Guest

    The Africa Twin is quite a lot more physically imposing than the Trans
    Alp - once you see one beside the other there'd be no mistaking them
    for the same bike.
     
    darsy, Oct 28, 2006
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  12. darsy

    Ace Guest

    Oddly, I never had the slightest problem with the gearbox. Sure, it
    took a firm boot to get first and sometimes to shift to second, but
    that took about one ride to realise and all it needed was a
    well-adjusted gear lever position and a positive foot action. No big
    deal.
    No, the engine was silky smooth. It's only fault was over-silencing,
    which I did care about, in a ít would feel faster if it made a bit of
    noise' kind of way.

    Suspension was pretty shit, I must admit, but only when compared to
    sports bikes - compared it to any off-roader it was fine, but the dive
    under braking needed a particular skill that maybe not everyone had.
    I'd ridden a lot of off-road stuff when I was younger, including a
    1976 XT500 wot I had for five years or so, so the TDM's handling never
    seemed to me to be a problem.
    Nice.
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    `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
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    Ace, Oct 28, 2006
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  13. darsy

    muddy cat Guest

    I did a quick look at some pictures and see what you mean.
     
    muddy cat, Oct 28, 2006
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  14. Agree with all of this. I've owned two 250s, two 400s, and a 500 H1D.
    I'd love to own a 750. I wish I'd pushed harder with the bloke at Chimay
    who turned up on the US spec one.

    And yes, the 400 is the best, if you are talking owning as well as
    riding.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 28, 2006
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  15. darsy

    darsy Guest

    On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:07:04 -0600, vulgarandmischevious

    [TDM850s]
    that's as may be, though it has to be kept in mind that Hargreaves is
    a know-nothing **** who can't ride for toffee.

    The poster of him binning a Bandit 1200[1] trying to wheely it out of
    a roundabout complete with the quote "I didn't really know what I was
    doing" is a PB classic from about 1996.

    [1] I can see why you're a fan of his.
     
    darsy, Oct 28, 2006
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  16. darsy

    ogden Guest

    The rule of thumb I work to is to double the number every ten years.
    From the numbers above, it seems I'm not far off.
     
    ogden, Oct 29, 2006
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  17. darsy

    darsy Guest

    me too - if I disliked people for being know-nothing cunts who
    couldn't ride for toffee, then I may as well unsubscribe from this
    newsgroup.
    well, quite so.
     
    darsy, Oct 29, 2006
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  18. darsy

    Ace Guest

    Quite.

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    `\\ | //' BOTAFOT#3, SbS#2, UKRMMA#13, DFV#8, SKA#2, IBB#10
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    Ace, Oct 29, 2006
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  19. darsy

    darsy Guest

    heh.
     
    darsy, Oct 29, 2006
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  20. darsy

    Eiron Guest

    The same power as a similarly sized Guzzi or Ducati a decade previously.
     
    Eiron, Oct 29, 2006
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