NSW Licencing - doing preprovisional skills test on automatic scooter

Scenario:
NSW rider :-

1) completes Prelearner on MANUAL motorcycle
2) Rider then completes the 6 hour "preprovisional training" on MANUAL
motorcycle .

3) Rider then passes the MOST test (the skills test...cone weave/u
turns etc) on an AUTOMATIC scooter.

4) Rider then issued with provisional licence for MANUAL motorcycle
(despite doing the MOST test on an auto scooter).

NSW Riders Handbook appears to confirm this Step4:-
"
Automatic transmission:
You are restricted to riding automatic
motorcycle motorcycles if you completed your
pre-provisional training course on one.
"
The preprovisional course and the Motorcycle Operator Skills Test (the
MOST) are separate activities that comprise the requirements to
proceed to a P1 licence. The automatic restriction is only based on
what type was used for the 6 hour ride.

I heard of this "relaxed" option from a licenced riding instructor.

Is this a valid interpretation of the NSW Graduated Licencing Scheme ?

 

The question should be, "do you want to pass your licence, or learn to
ride".

Theo

 

I take your point but that still really isn't the question, nor the
point you are getting as being the answer.

I could have also stated "ditch the lumbering 660cc LAMS-approved
unwieldy heavy automatic scooter and use a 125cc (manual)
bike" ...your repackaged question, whilst of philosphical curiosity,
still bares minimal validity to the objective...pass the test.

There be a fair few readers of a certain age and wrinkliness that
managed to learn to ride without passing a MOST-style test..prob coz
they learnt to ride (or were born) before 6.1 metres was even a
distance using an officially recognised unit of measurement

FWIW the practise of using the riding school/RTA contractor's learner
bikes to do the MOST instead of using ones own bike is a not uncommon
strategy.

 

I got my unlimited licence on a Vespa 175 whilst not wearing a
helmet.

But there were no classifications then. They were all motorcycles and
even scooters were manual.

Theo

 

Yes, we of the "cup of tea" testing regime.."righto sonny, round the
block and back here by the time I come back out with me tea and
cake.."

 

Down Great north road a bit(Five Dock) do a u,ee try not to put feet on
ground come back here. (don't know how to spell uee)

 

Am not aware of the definition used but I'd suggest it's to do with
the operator deciding when to change (forward) gears rather than an
automated device deciding to change based on engine load and revs. The
gear changing is merely the implementation (along with a clutch).

 

u r spot on!

 

If you don't pass the test then consider any further learning to be at
a standstill.

 

That was the test I did yesterday. One of the few benefits of living
out in outer whoop whoop - no requirement to do a pre-provisional test.

If it were the day before, I'm pretty sure the tester wouldn't have
even gotten out from underneath the RTA verandah.

 

omg you got one that could run??? Mine waddled off for his tea and
cake and a rather unremarkable gait.

 

So I'm still waiting for a definitive answer... can a "manual" licence
be issued to a learner that has completed all other aspects the
courses on a manual bike BUT DOES THE MOST (aka Skills Test) on an
automatic scooter ?

 

Austlii over there ->

 

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China is v

 

so where is the ex-Learner that did their MOST on an auto scooter and
rode away on a manual bike?

 

So you already heard this information from someone in a position of
relative authority who would know whether it was possible or not right?
Why do you keep insisting on some sort of definitive answer from here?
Netrider forums is the place you should be asking. That's where all
the L and P platers hang out.

Nev..
'07 XB12X
'08 DL1000K8

 

I dunno, you're telling the story.

Seems to me you're asking rhetorical questions you already know the
answers to ?

JL

 

<snort> Now THAT is funnier than Gerry's joke.

JL

 

alx wrote:

I dunno.

I have to ask, tho, if someone has completed the road ride bit on a
"normal" motorcycle, where is the gain in using an auto scooter for the
MOST?

I have done the MOST on a variety of motorcycles, a couple of auto
scooters, and a postie semi-auto, and, IMHO, there is a sort of swings
and roundabouts situation where one machine may have an advantage in one
part of the MOST, but it is made up for by a disadvantage in other part(s).

regards,
CrazyCam

 

this man is tooo funny! Suffer in ur jocks