NSW Licencing - doing preprovisional skills test on automatic scooter

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by alx, Apr 14, 2009.

  1. alx

    alx Guest

    Scenario:
    NSW rider :-

    1) completes Prelearner on MANUAL motorcycle
    2) Rider then completes the 6 hour "preprovisional training" on MANUAL
    motorcycle .

    3) Rider then passes the MOST test (the skills test...cone weave/u
    turns etc) on an AUTOMATIC scooter.

    4) Rider then issued with provisional licence for MANUAL motorcycle
    (despite doing the MOST test on an auto scooter).

    NSW Riders Handbook appears to confirm this Step4:-
    "
    Automatic transmission:
    You are restricted to riding automatic
    motorcycle motorcycles if you completed your
    pre-provisional training course on one.
    "
    The preprovisional course and the Motorcycle Operator Skills Test (the
    MOST) are separate activities that comprise the requirements to
    proceed to a P1 licence. The automatic restriction is only based on
    what type was used for the 6 hour ride.

    I heard of this "relaxed" option from a licenced riding instructor.

    Is this a valid interpretation of the NSW Graduated Licencing Scheme ?
     
    alx, Apr 14, 2009
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  2. alx

    theo Guest

    The question should be, "do you want to pass your licence, or learn to
    ride".

    Theo
     
    theo, Apr 14, 2009
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  3. alx

    alx Guest

    I take your point but that still really isn't the question, nor the
    point you are getting as being the answer.

    I could have also stated "ditch the lumbering 660cc LAMS-approved
    unwieldy heavy automatic scooter and use a 125cc (manual)
    bike" ...your repackaged question, whilst of philosphical curiosity,
    still bares minimal validity to the objective...pass the test.

    There be a fair few readers of a certain age and wrinkliness that
    managed to learn to ride without passing a MOST-style test..prob coz
    they learnt to ride (or were born) before 6.1 metres was even a
    distance using an officially recognised unit of measurement

    FWIW the practise of using the riding school/RTA contractor's learner
    bikes to do the MOST instead of using ones own bike is a not uncommon
    strategy.
     
    alx, Apr 15, 2009
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  4. alx

    theo Guest

    I got my unlimited licence on a Vespa 175 whilst not wearing a
    helmet. :)

    But there were no classifications then. They were all motorcycles and
    even scooters were manual.

    Theo
     
    theo, Apr 15, 2009
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  5. alx

    alx Guest

    Yes, we of the "cup of tea" testing regime.."righto sonny, round the
    block and back here by the time I come back out with me tea and
    cake.."
     
    alx, Apr 15, 2009
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    F Murtz Guest

    Down Great north road a bit(Five Dock) do a u,ee try not to put feet on
    ground come back here. (don't know how to spell uee)
     
    F Murtz, Apr 15, 2009
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  7. alx

    alx Guest

    Am not aware of the definition used but I'd suggest it's to do with
    the operator deciding when to change (forward) gears rather than an
    automated device deciding to change based on engine load and revs. The
    gear changing is merely the implementation (along with a clutch).
     
    alx, Apr 15, 2009
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  8. alx

    x.x Guest

    u r spot on!
     
    x.x, Apr 15, 2009
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  9. alx

    alx Guest

    If you don't pass the test then consider any further learning to be at
    a standstill.
     
    alx, Apr 15, 2009
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    TimC Guest

    That was the test I did yesterday. One of the few benefits of living
    out in outer whoop whoop - no requirement to do a pre-provisional test.

    If it were the day before, I'm pretty sure the tester wouldn't have
    even gotten out from underneath the RTA verandah.
     
    TimC, Apr 15, 2009
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  11. alx

    alx Guest

    omg you got one that could run??? Mine waddled off for his tea and
    cake and a rather unremarkable gait.
     
    alx, Apr 16, 2009
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  12. alx

    alx Guest

    So I'm still waiting for a definitive answer... can a "manual" licence
    be issued to a learner that has completed all other aspects the
    courses on a manual bike BUT DOES THE MOST (aka Skills Test) on an
    automatic scooter ?
     
    alx, Apr 20, 2009
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    jl Guest

    Austlii over there ->
     
    jl, Apr 20, 2009
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  14. alx

    x.x Guest

    |
    China is v
     
    x.x, Apr 20, 2009
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  15. alx

    alx Guest

    so where is the ex-Learner that did their MOST on an auto scooter and
    rode away on a manual bike?
     
    alx, Apr 21, 2009
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    Nev.. Guest

    So you already heard this information from someone in a position of
    relative authority who would know whether it was possible or not right?
    Why do you keep insisting on some sort of definitive answer from here?
    Netrider forums is the place you should be asking. That's where all
    the L and P platers hang out.

    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
    '08 DL1000K8
     
    Nev.., Apr 21, 2009
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    JL Guest

    I dunno, you're telling the story.

    Seems to me you're asking rhetorical questions you already know the
    answers to ?

    JL
     
    JL, Apr 21, 2009
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  18. alx

    JL Guest

    <snort> Now THAT is funnier than Gerry's joke.

    JL
     
    JL, Apr 21, 2009
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    CrazyCam Guest

    alx wrote:

    I dunno.

    I have to ask, tho, if someone has completed the road ride bit on a
    "normal" motorcycle, where is the gain in using an auto scooter for the
    MOST?

    I have done the MOST on a variety of motorcycles, a couple of auto
    scooters, and a postie semi-auto, and, IMHO, there is a sort of swings
    and roundabouts situation where one machine may have an advantage in one
    part of the MOST, but it is made up for by a disadvantage in other part(s).

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Apr 22, 2009
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  20. alx

    x.x Guest

    this man is tooo funny! Suffer in ur jocks
     
    x.x, Apr 22, 2009
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