NSW/SYD: banning colours

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Zebee Johnstone, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. There's a move afoot in Sydney to ban people from entering pubs if they
    are wearing outlaw club colours or otherwise displaying club logos. (And
    they've named the clubs, the ones most of us think of when we think
    "outlaw club" such as Rebels and Bandidos). THe idea is the pubs
    themselves do the banning rather than this being a law as such.

    The UMC - an umbrella group of the patch clubs, who send a delegate to
    the MCC of NSW like any other club can - has asked that the MCC as a
    lobby group become involved in fighting this.

    As the aus.moto delegate, I need to know what the people I'm representing

    Is this something non-patch-club riders should worry about, as an attack
    on motorcyclists?

    Is this liable to be a problem for non-patch motorcyclists, like "you
    ride bikes and we don't want you"?

    Is this something we should be concerned about as citizens, that you
    get banned because of what you wear or who you choose to associate with,
    even though you personally have done nothing wrong?

    In other words, is this something the Motorcycle Council od NSW should
    be involved in?

    This is a Sydney (well Paramatta so far, but it will spread) thing,
    but I believe other state groups are doing the same, in SA they are
    talking about making it law.

    So tell me aus.moto, what do you want the MCC to do in this? Oppose the
    ban or not? If the MCC should support the UMC in opposition to the ban,
    what form should that support take?

    Zebee Johnstone, Jan 17, 2008
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    Will_S Guest

    Next thing they will be banning leather jackets

    Its stupid
    Will_S, Jan 17, 2008
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    CrazyCam Guest

    It's been done before.

    AFAIK, pubs can set whatever conditions they like, wrt people not being
    allowed in, subject, possibly to anti-discrimination regulations.
    Fighting it how exactly?

    If you publish a list of hotels that have such rules, I will quite
    happily undertake to not go into them.

    Can't see what else can be done.
    Of course its an attack on motorcyclists.

    One wonders if the H.O.G. riders will be upset if the are banned or
    upset if they aren't banned. ;-)
    Probably. Given that pubs and hotels have already been forced to refuse
    my business anyway, 'cos I like a smoke, I'm not too concerned anyway.
    It's kind of far too late to have that discussion now. :)
    I suggest that they maintain a web-page list of pubs and hotels trying
    on this policy, and folk who feel strongly enough about the topic simply
    don't use those pubs.

    N.B. I am slightly concerned that such action has been made illegal.
    GB, JL?

    CrazyCam, Jan 17, 2008
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    CrazyCam Guest

    Come to think of it, some Ulysses Club members might confused too.

    CrazyCam, Jan 17, 2008
  5. Does that mean the Hoteliers Association (or whatever the union for
    pub owners is called) is behind it rather than the government?

    Unless it's made law, I see the first pub to make a go of it getting
    royally shafted in court... much as happened with the couple of pubs
    that tried to keep out Lebbos and Pacific islanders.

    If they get sued, they could argue dress code, that they bar entry to
    persons wearing attire which could be construed as intimidating or
    confrontational... at which point the aggrieved bikie's lawyer enters
    into evidence video of the same bouncers letting in the bloke in the
    replica Waffen SS uniform, complete with Swastika armband...
    intact.kneeslider, Jan 17, 2008
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    tropicus Guest

    I'm opposed to government bans on most things (including this), but
    it's a bit rich for the patch clubs to start bitching about their
    rights when they are willing to bash someone for wearing rockers on
    their jackets.
    tropicus, Jan 17, 2008
  7. In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:07:13 +1100
    The press release gives names of clubs. How it is determined what an
    "outlaw motorcycle club" is, or what "club regalia" is, has not been

    Preumably an outlaw club is any club the police say is one, and club
    regalia/insignia is anything the bouncer says it is.

    I dunno if the cops would class Ulysses or Kings Cross Bikers as
    "outlaws" but a bouncer might easily decide any patch is a bad patch.

    The result at the moment would be not being able to go into a
    particular pub. I do expect that if this is seen as successful it
    will extend to other establishments. Whether that will affect other
    riders there's no way to know.

    Zebee Johnstone, Jan 17, 2008
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    atec77 Guest

    Bouncer ?
    incorrect , please use crowd controller / Security Person in the
    future thanks (wouldn't want to bruise any ones ego)
    atec77, Jan 17, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    If a particular organisation has a proven (in court) track record of
    breaking laws that might warrant such a ban, then I'm all for those
    specific organisations being banned if there is a direct and demonstrate
    benefit to law-abiding citizens in doing so.

    However, any individual or organisation (whether or not they belong to a
    patch club, and whether or not they are wearing clothing to indicate
    this) should have the full rights of any other citizen to go wherever
    wish in public and not be subjected to any restrictions not universally
    applied to others irrespective of any club allegiances they might have.
    If you have done nothing wrong, then the jacket you wear should not
    preclude you from participating/attending a venue/event just like
    everyone else who has also done nothing wrong.

    The moment you start banning members of patch clubs who wear their
    jackets, you automatically open the door for some overzealous twat to
    just ban any person in a leather motorcycle jacket, just because they
    think "well, he obviously rides a bike and wears leather, he must be in
    a gang!". What happens when a group of friends just out for a weekend
    ride pull up at a pub for lunch, and get banned "because you're
    obviously riding together, you must be a gang!"?

    This is an idiotic law proposed by idiots, and should be opposed.
    Damien, Jan 17, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    Jumped-up egotistical rent-a-cops? :)

    **** PC, whatever happened to just using commonsense?
    Damien, Jan 17, 2008
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    atec77 Guest

    can I watch while you mention this tag to one of the local protective
    persons :)

    Ran away with kruds sense of the truth
    atec77, Jan 17, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    hmm...laugh on NG versus beating at hands of offended shaved
    monkey...can I pass? :p
    Damien, Jan 17, 2008
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    corks Guest

    lets face it the "legislation" is aimed squarely at 1%érs as your
    alpinestars/spidi/dainese sportbikers clad or condura wearing bimmer crowd
    rarely go into pubs and start fights with the locals.

    since whenever have they given a **** about anyone other than themselves
    especially jappers.....and anyone who thinks are are ''brothers in arms''
    with them just because they both ride bikes is playing with selves.....

    **** em ...
    corks, Jan 17, 2008
  14. If you want to be seen as a gutless twat, sure...
    intact.kneeslider, Jan 17, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    As opposed to looking like you? Sure, sounds pretty good to me! :)

    You seem to be very unhappy lately. Did someone crap in your coco pops?
    Damien, Jan 17, 2008
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    Damien Guest

    I don't think it has anything at all to do with "brothers in arms". I
    think the cops are far too soft on gangs as it is, but such open-ended
    actions are not the way to respond to it.

    The problem here has nothing to do with twisted and misplaced notions of
    solidarity (because I for one have no such ideas at all), but more a
    recognition of the unjust and immoral nature of such attempts, and the
    very real and serious risk that it will impact negatively on innocent
    parties it was not intended to affect.

    Forget about who it is intended to target, shouldn't the simple fact
    that it is wrong be sufficient reason to oppose such actions?
    Damien, Jan 17, 2008
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    corks Guest

    yep that would have been racial discrimination
    bullshit , i think most people would be more intimidatd by a big arsed '1%ér
    , than prince harry on a night out ......
    corks, Jan 17, 2008
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    corks Guest


    they deserve all they get .....

    althought to be honest i dont think it will work anyhow....
    corks, Jan 17, 2008
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    JL Guest

    Well actually (IMNSHO) it's an attack on a sub group of
    motorcyclists.... the article quoted on the MCC list (I'll post a URL
    when I find one shortly) indicated the ban was only of a list of 18
    specified clubs displaying regalia. So OMCG members could enter the
    pub provided they didn't wear colours. Same as you can visit a pub as
    long as you don't smoke.
    Well they're not banned (it's just 1%ers - Rebels, Gypsy Jokers,
    Commies etc)
    I agree - that ship sailed quite a long time ago, unwinding a decade
    worth of inroads in personal freedoms needs to start with more
    important issues like not being locked up without access to a lawyer
    and etc
    Unless I've missed something, it's perfectly legit - the pubs in
    question have had a requirement put on them as part of their licencing
    that they refuse entry to people wearing specified clothing and/or
    "regalia" (ie colours). It's no different to the requirement to eject
    smokers if they smoke, or to close their doors at a certain hour.

    There's certainly nothing in the federal or state constitutions
    against it, and the discrimination legislation is quite narrowly
    focussed on sexual, gender or racial discrimination (as I understand
    it, it was pretty hard to get sexual orientation discrimination passed
    in this state, a minority who make up a far bigger slice of the
    population than one-percenters do). There's nothing to say that it is
    illegal to discriminate against people's ability to enter a licenced
    establishment based on their clothing. If there was pretty much every
    pub and nightclub in Sydney would be in trouble...

    JL, Jan 17, 2008
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    atec77 Guest

    shaved monkey ?
    are you "the" continent ?
    atec77, Jan 17, 2008
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