NSW to act against bikie gang violence

Gerry has *two* patches on his cardie. On the elbows...

 

It is in the sense that I never actually advocated 'stopping violence' in
the first place, and will freely admit to having no clue how to do such a
thing. I was merely objecting to selective naming of particular victim
groups as undesirable potential targets in marketing campaigns.

P
Willy Willy

 

Honestly I couldn't care less if they rode bikes and were part of a
bikie gang or didn't ride bikes and were part of a (not bikie) gang, but
the newsgroup pedants will insist on the correct usage ;-)


G-S

 

Nup !!! Not having it.

I _know_ you were talking about "them" and not yourself, Peter, which
is why, in my response, I said "they". i.e. "how would they stop the
violence". But in your haste to indulge yourslef in a bit of
kneejerking, this grammatical nuance escaped your notice, and off you
went...

Half cocked...

Again...

It starts with not responding to violence with violence, Peter. Until
you get that, you're doomed to enless cycles of violence. I'm using
the generic "you" here, Peter, not the personal one, ok? ;-)

Object away...


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Oi !! They go perfectly well with my beige chookie, ok ??? Stop
picking on the intellectually disadvantaged, you mean bully !!!

Or I'll throw a soggy crumpet at you !!! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr....


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

I love the pedants, for they shall inherit the hook, line and sinker..


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Put butter and Vegemite on it and you got a deal.

 

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Interesting that these "outlaws" have some of the most severe laws
imaginable (for their own members.)

Interesting, also, how severe their punishments are for peole who
break _their_ laws.

And even more interesting is the fact that the society they have
turned their backs upon, is somehow also bound by these "laws". e.g.
The Ulysses club (or any other non-1%er club) is not allowed to use
regalia which is similar in appearance to theirs, or they get the shit
kicked out of them. Now if that isn't a perverse way of imposing
your dress code on the whole frigging human race, I don't know what
is...

Does anyone need any more evidence to support the theory that 1%ers
are a bunch of out-of-control psychopathic control freaks who like to
attract masochistic nymphomanics with a death wish?

Talk about symbiosis...

Bwahahahahaha..

Section the bleeding lot, I say... ;-)


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Well OF COURSE it's got butter and Vegemite on it...
Why else do you think it got so soggy ?!?!?!


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

from too much double dipping in the gravy train

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 21 Feb 2009 07:45:12 +1100

Which isn't a particularly illegal thing to be.

The out-of-control bit can lead to illegal things, but until it does I
don't think they deserve to be hit on anymore than any other weirdo.

(Being a famous weirdo myself, I think this is important.)

Blokes join patch clubs for all sorts of reasons. Some of the ones
I've met have been quite decent people, I presume their reasons for
joining were different to the thugs. How they cope with the thugs,
how they manage the whole scene in their heads I don't know.

I suspect that like pretty well any group of human beings, most are
there for the friendship and the drinks and the feeling of belonging
to something, and a few are there because they are out of control
psycopathic nutters who find patch clubs help them do what *they* like
doing.

Me, I figure that joining a patch club means someone has issues, and
if they choose that way of solving them I dunno I want to have them as
a close and personal friend, but until that person does something
illegal and is convicted of same they have the same rights as any
other bod.

So they can be "a bunch of out-of-control psychopathic control freaks
who like to attract masochistic nymphomanics with a death wish" as
much as they like, without being prosecuted for that instead of for
things that should be illegal like thumping people and playing bad
rap.

Guilt by association sucks, even for HD riders.

Zebee

 

Sounds like aus.moto

Theo

 

What is your problem, George.

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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Maybe its really a SAO.

--
"The Labour Party is corrupt beyond redemption!"
- Labour hasbeen Mark Latham in a moment of honest clarity.

"Silly old bugger!"
- Well known ACTU pisspot and sometime Labour prime minister Bob Hawke
responding to a pensioner who dared ask for more.

"Well may we say 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save the governor
general!"
- Egotistical shithead and pompous fuckwit E.G. Whitlam whining about his
appointee for Governor General John Kerr.

 

You continue to try to make the conversation about something I didn't say
but you are now conversing on your own. Your anticipated post in reply can
be the last word on this matter.

P

 

I was talking about their mind-boggling hypocrisy.

I wasn't saying that they were, or ought to be, illegal.

I don't object to their weirdness, but I do object to their bullying,
intimidating, strength-in-numbers type of stand-over mentality.

Because of their close and frequent association with criminal
activity, they do deserve to be under investigation. Beyond that, I
say let the law deal with them according to the law.

This whole "outlaw" thing is pure bullshit.

They want to be outlaws? They should go live in the Simpson Desert
AND STAY THERE !!!

If you want to live in the community, you have an obligation to live
according to the laws of that community.

We're very quick to say that to any errant Muslims, but for some
reason, psychopaths who happen to ride bikes get cut a heck of a lot
of slack here in Ozmoto... Why do you think that is, Zebee?

And a top bloke to boot... ;-)

"You can judge a person by the company they keep." I think as a
truism, that one's a good general guide.

I think a lot of these guys are bullies who like to knock around in
groups because of the mutual support they get for their bullying
nature. Most of the rest would be the sycophantic type that gets a
buzz out of hanging around a bunch of bullies. And the remaining 1%
are complete cross-eyed idiots who have no idea why they are there.
How's that for a demographic? ;-)

Yep. Agreed. And let's keep the fuckers under close scrutiny. Their
behaviour, demeanor, attitude, and previous record warrant it. If
they don't like that, they should stop rabbiting on about being
outlaws. Can't have it both ways...

Yes. Agreed. And I would happily outlaw outlaws.

What's wrong with outlawing outlaws? I thought we'd done that
already. I thought that was implicit in the law. All that remains
is that these psychopathic fuckers get rounded up. No problems. If
they don't like that, they can stop riding with them and burn their
colours and patches.

You can't go prancing around a battlefield dressed like the enemy and
then go "Oooooer, don't shoot at me, I just like wearing the uniform."
What a load of crap! They should get real !!

To correct you here, it's not so much "guilt by association" as it is
"being a full-on member of". You sound like on of those Legal
Obfuscators those wankers hire to confuse the issue in the courts and
the media.

It's got ****-all to do with whether they ride a Harley or not. It's
got to do with what their relationship is with the laws of the
community in which they choose to live. Pure and simple. I suggest
you stop getting sucked into the obfuscations these fuckes like to
peddle. I thought you were a top bloke, but now I'm starting to have
doubts... ;-)


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

Not enough gravy Gerry

 

I've never experienced any such thing in my dealings with various clubs
and club members. On the contrary, I've found them to be very hospitable.

In fact, the bullying, intimidating, strength-in-numbers type of
stand-over mentality you describe, I've found very prevalent amongst the
Big Blue Gang.

As do the Police.

So do I. There's no need to create laws specifically targeted at club
members when the law as it stands is deemed sufficient for anyone else.

They're called outlaws because they originally formed clubs that were
not registered with the American Motorcycle Association a.k.a. the AMA

Race meetings not sanctioned by the AMA were labelled as "outlaw" events
and those that took part were labelled as "outlaws".

Which is SFA to do with what you, the police and the media thinks it means.

 

Well of course you would have been welcomed with open arms. You have
the persona of 'a brother'.

Others have different experiences. Ask the Ulysses club members who
were "spoken to" about the reverse dress code of the 1%ers...

Agreed. But they are under the misapprehension that we pay them to do
that.

Yeah, yeah, I know... They're all-round nice guys who don't beat the
crap out of anyone they don't like... And if they don't like you,
it's _your_ fault...

I found this on Wikipedia:

"Most of these one-percenter MCs do not allow women to become
full-patch members, but women can hold special status with the club.
Membership in what authorities term 'Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs' is often
racist as well as sexist,and membership in the Hells Angels is closed
to African-Americans, and Hispanics which have led to creation of
rival gangs such as the Bandidos and the Mongols Motorcycle Club."

And what about this:

"The press asked the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) to
comment on the Hollister incident and their response was that 99% of
motorcyclists were law-abiding citizens, and the last one percent were
outlaws. Thus was born the term, 'one percenter'."

You're apparently an authority on these things, Doug, so tell me, are
the above Wikipedia quotes accurate?

You're starting to peddle a version of events which make Outlaw clubs
appear to be the serial victims of a repressive nazi regime, rather
than serial perpetrators and law breakers. I smell bikie
propaganda...

Maybe it's all a conspiracy to defame a bunch of peace loving, line
dancing, mungo bean munching Honda CT110 riders out on a postie's
picnic...

But I don't think so...

By the way, you haven't declared you vested interest in this subject.
Perhaps you should come clean around about now?


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Onya bike

Gerry

 

I can mix with anyone. Some people fear me just 'cos I'm big and ugly.
That's not my fault.

If they're going to set themselves up as wannabe outlaws, wearing
unofficial rockers with the official Ulysses patch, they have to expect
to be challenged by those who put in some hard time earning theirs.

Somewhat like a Vietnam veteran might feel about someone who falsely
claims to be one...

Why did those Ulysses members want rockers? Because they wanted people
to think they were outlaws.

Like the bloody HOG club. They sound off about what bastards outlaws are
while doing everything they can to look like them.

I find Rottweilers to be friendly dogs mostly, but I'm smart enough not
to try to stare one down.

I've seen a few people who've set out to stir club members up and have
received a hiding for their trouble. Not much different to what you'd
see from a mob of coppers or footy players.

They wore the label proudly as a way of getting up the noses of those
who labelled them so. They still do.

Yes. They are. As for the sexist/racist thing, that's their prerogative.
We're not talking about The Melbourne Club here.

I believe that much of the hysteria levelled against the clubs are more
a result of a combination of ignorance and propaganda on the part of the
police and media, some of who, like so-called bikie experts, have a
vested interest in maintaining the outrage.

Last time I was in Alice Springs there was a club due to pass through
that had bad relations with the resident club leading to fears among the
police and media of a gang war about to break out.

The NT News fed the hysteria with reprints of articles I'd seen years
before about bikies having concealed shotguns in their exhaust pipes and
handlebars (seriously, they even had diagrams) with advice to coppers
who might pull over a bikie about being wary of the rider lining them up
in the rear vision mirrors for a shot as they approached. Absolutely
ludicrous but apparently taken seriously by many who read it.
The club passing through stayed in Alice Springs for the night and
absolutely nothing happened.

As for being a serial victim, I know damn well what it's like to ride a
Harley when some mongrel copper or coppers need an ego boost. I didn't
need a patch to make me an even bigger target.

I was an "associate" of the local club and still have friends among the
brethren. Last time I was there, I was on duty and we were called out to
a smell of smoke in the area. Turned out to be the burnout comp at the
club's grounds. We stayed for a while, watched some of the action, the
kids went through the truck, the ladies had their pictures taken with
the firies and the truck, we were offered beers which were declined in
favour of soft drinks and everyone had a good time. No attitude, no dramas.

"Leave attitudes at the door" goes two ways.