Odds on for the last race??

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Paul B, Oct 19, 2006.

  1. Paul B

    Paul B Guest

    If things were different and it was Hayden leading by 8 points over Rossi I
    suspect the majority would pick Rossi to clinch the championship, in other
    words the majority believe Rossi has the talent to beat Hayden and one other
    would come between them to make it so. If Rossi was 8 points down and they
    interviewed him last week he would say he has a very steep hill to climb, a
    very hard challenge but he would never say his back was against the wall or
    be defeatist about the situation, he would see it as a final challenge and
    use all his energy and talent to do the best he could from the situation.
    Hayden on the other hand seems to make it all doom and gloom, "All he has to
    do is follow me", I find that attitude apalling, I know he's hurt from the
    incident last race but that's the first DNF for him this year, in some
    respects it puts the championship points in balance after all most of his
    closet challengers have had bad luck this year that has set them back many
    points in the championship and yet they are still within a stones throw of
    Hayden, who in has been lucky not through skill to have avoided some of the
    mishaps his competitors have had.

    While it's always unfortunate to be taken out through no fault of your own
    life goes on, maybe he should have been less conservative and more
    aggressive when he had the opportunity to make up a few points here and
    there, a page out of Rossi's book in that respect wouldn't go astray, one
    thing you can say of Rossi is he always makes the most of any situation and
    salvages what he can, take the last race, a sensible 3rd would have been a
    safe bet but he had the courage to go for the win, ok he got 2nd but those 4
    points from been 3rd may win him the championship.

    The battle isn't over for Hayden, he can beat Rossi and has to hope someone
    else comes between them but to give up isn't what a real world champion
    would do at this stage, more than ever his real measure is this last race
    and it's up to him to make the most of it.

    Personally I think Rossi will kick his ass but thats not the point.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Oct 19, 2006
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    adams_gomez Guest

    Which is more or less the point of the OP. All the Hayden camp have
    left now is hope, whereas if the position was reversed (as they would
    have been if Hayden had finished 3rd which, I think, was the most he
    could have done) Vale's supporters would still have been pretty
    confident that he would still prevail.
     
    adams_gomez, Oct 20, 2006
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    Jake Guest

    If Rossi was down by 8 points going into the last race, I can guarantee
    that he'd say something like "well, is out of our control, all we can
    do is try for the win and hope Colin can come in 2nd. Tomorrow we
    see." Which is more or less what Nicky said, because he even if he
    wins, he has to count on someone else with essentially nothing at stake
    riding hard and fast enough to beat Rossi.

    Of course, Rossi already has 5 championships, and the 6th one is
    clearly less important than the first, so he can afford to be a bit
    more blase about it.

    I also suspect that had Pedrosa taken Rossi out last weekend instead of
    Hayden, he might not be holding a fifteen-minute long press conference
    shortly after the race finished.

    -jake
     
    Jake, Oct 20, 2006
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  4. Paul B

    Jake Guest

    If Rossi was down by 8 points going into the last race, I can guarantee
    that he'd say something like "well, is out of our control, all we can
    do is try for the win and hope Colin can come in 2nd. Tomorrow we
    see." Which is more or less what Nicky said, because he even if he
    wins, he has to count on someone else with essentially nothing at stake
    riding hard and fast enough to beat Rossi.

    Of course, Rossi already has 5 championships, and the 6th one is
    clearly less important than the first, so he can afford to be a bit
    more blase about it.

    I also suspect that had Pedrosa taken Rossi out last weekend instead of
    Hayden, he might not be holding a fifteen-minute long press conference
    shortly after the race finished.

    -jake
     
    Jake, Oct 20, 2006
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  5. Paul B

    auscars Guest

    <T3 wrote:[DRIBBLE]
    < I hope he kicks that fuckin'

    LOL well you can dream....The yank is fucked he will NEVER win the
    Chapionship, its slipped through his fingers he does not deserve it
    anyway, rides around for points, he wont ever beat Pedrosa again either
    [could run into him to pay him back though!], his time at hrc is
    numbered
    Not in this lifetime...

    You all seem to forget that Hayden was leading by total 100% LUCK,
    Rossi lost at least 75 points by mechanical failure this season, it
    should have been well over months ago, he has done the impossible NEVER
    been done before [we are use to Rossi doing the un_do_able] came back
    from 51 points..Its God like, he is THE GOAT!

    Or to put it in simpleton terms, GAME OVER
     
    auscars, Oct 20, 2006
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  6. Paul B

    auscars Guest

    No, Rossi is still pissed off with haonda, remember they did not let
    him ride the Yamaha till after the 31st Dec. they also treated him like
    shit, said GOLD "WE DONT NEED HIM TO WIN" & "WE WILL DESTROY HIM"
    promised him a F1 drive never delivered, have not delived him his
    Championship bike, goes on and on....

    How could ANYONE respect a company like that?

    Besides the final nail will be to beat not match doohans, [although his
    win ratio is already a good 15% higher] 5 straight AND win EVERY 990cc
    MotoGP Championship ever.

    I like Rossi.., done more for the sport than any other rider in
    history...

    He would not leave Italy alive....
     
    auscars, Oct 20, 2006
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  7. Paul B

    adams_gomez Guest

    Winning his premier class champs on two different makes of bike already
    puts him way beyond Doohan. The clincher would be for him to also win
    one on a Ducati.
     
    adams_gomez, Oct 20, 2006
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  8. Paul B

    auscars Guest

    <<<<<< "2008" >>>>>>

    BUT Rossi has to want to, because Yamaha just keep blowing away any
    offer Ducati make

    Its the best $20 million per year wage spent by Yamaha [Of which the M1
    still is a piece of crap, its level is where Edwards is...] without him
    on borad its a middle field runner...
     
    auscars, Oct 20, 2006
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    David Guest

    There's a big difference here you're not acknowledging...

    If Rossi were down by 8 points it would mean he just finished one or
    two positions ahead of Nicky on track. He'd have momentum and be
    upbeat about his possible chances.

    Nicky is down 8 points by virtue of being punted off the track
    needlessly and scoring zero points in a race where the bike felt
    better than it has in some time and Rossi admitted his "rhythm wasn't
    impressive". It's a far more demoralizing way to reach that -8 point
    mark. That and the fact those statements you quote were given
    immediately after the race. What is his frame of mind now?
     
    David, Oct 20, 2006
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    S Frank Guest

    I honestly think Hayden could have beaten Rossi. He had a hard
    tire and had the pace in practice to hang with Rossi. He would
    have at least been in the mix for the win and anything could have
    happened. I think it would have been possible for KRJR, Rossi,
    or Elias to have won and if Dani and Nicky had still been in the race
    they would have been there are maybe even in front of those three.
     
    S Frank, Oct 20, 2006
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  11. Paul B

    Paul B Guest

    I agree, Rossi wasn't looking that impressive and if Haydens bike was
    running sweet he could have got the win, so Hayden can beat Rossi, or at
    least it certainly appears so.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Oct 20, 2006
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  12. Paul B

    Paul B Guest

    Why is criticism required? Rossi never admitted to giving in, all he
    implied was he had enough confidence in Haydens ability to capitalise on a
    huge points advantage for him (Hayden) to take the championship and from
    Rossi's POV if he (Rossi) had a lead of that magnatude he would never let it
    slip, so he failed to see how Hayden would let him claw back 56 points in 6
    races, so his attitude was to win as much as he can and enjoy racing, the
    fact he actually managed to consistantly get enough points off Hayden to
    realise the championship was again a reality is to his credit. The PI
    incident is unfortunate but even if we deduct 10 points from Rossi he is 2
    points down, if he wins by more than 3 points then that issue is imaterial.
    I think to dwell on Hayden's clutch issues is not relavent, Rossi's bike was
    not at it's best in the season beginning but that is how it is, racing is a
    team sport for everyone, if your bike isn't right you don't win on the day.
    I think we can balance out the back luck and misfortune that has bestowed
    all the riders this year, for sure Hayden has has bike woes and been punted
    off, Rossi tyre failures, engine failures and a punting off, Melandri,
    Capirossi and Gibs the same, you take your chances when you get them go for
    max points sometimes with risk but ultimately those 3 points or whatever you
    get from taking a chance in one race may decide the championship ultimately,
    it's my opinion Rossi has taken those chances, Hayden has been more
    cautious.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Oct 20, 2006
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  13. Paul B

    Paul B Guest

    Yeah, I always feel that Doohan should have switched teams as Rossi did just
    to prove himself, he (Doohan) was even quoted saying "The Yamaha is actually
    a better bike than the Honda" or words to that effect but maybe that was
    just to belittle his competitors, I think if he had switched he would have
    still won too, real pity he never tried.

    Paul

     
    Paul B, Oct 20, 2006
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  14. Paul B

    auscars Guest

    <<Hayden had kicked his ass across the Monterey peninsula?

    Pffft 1 race in 5 years

    Your on drugs my boy

    Face it Hayden is out of his depth, a points rider and does NOT deserve
    to win the Championship.

    For mine Roberts [another points rider] is a better rider than him

    Frankly, anybody who rides the hrc bike and cannot win should be
    sacked, Max style, its easily the best and most complete bike in the
    field.

    Frankly if Hayden wins on the weekend he can thank luck he did not
    *beat* Rossi, Rossi [well his bike] failed him and lost him the
    Championship.

    Unlike doohan, Rossi had the balls to swap onto a useless bike and
    forces it to win, if he was still with hrc the Championship would have
    been over months ago......

    This was the first time i have seen Rossi ride very careful. Elias was
    riding well over his limit and over the edge, Rossi did not want to be
    taken out like Hayden was [and more proof that the M1 still needs
    another 20HP+], when will Yamaha give Rossi a decent bike?

    K202
     
    auscars, Oct 22, 2006
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    tropicus Guest

    So you're saying - yet again - that Rossi's rivals are all useless
    The race-winning "useless bike", which a large paycheck attached after
    he'd tried to stay with Honda. Some "balls". So how come Rossi didn't
    go ride for Suzuki if he wanted a real challenge?

    Rossi got beaten by Elias fair and square in a scrap. Stop crying about
    it.
     
    tropicus, Oct 22, 2006
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  16. Utter bullshit. I REALLY hope he wins, just to piss you off. He's been
    smart and fast. Yes, he's been lucky (up till the Pedrosa Punt), but
    that's part of the game. Rossi has had some great luck through the
    years too.

    Strange, I haven't heard you blathering about how fantastic DP is
    lately. Maybe if he hadn't melted like the Wicked Witch in the rain...
    maybe if he hadn't torpedoed his team mate..
    Ah, yes! The mighty asscars, benchracer extraordinaire! Step right up
    folks, ask ANY question you like. He knows ALL!!!
    Seriously, dude, you are just blowing smoke. Once Yamaha fixed the
    chatter, they have had one of the best, if not the best handling bike on
    the grid. Furthermore, I don't see the Hondas blowing him away on the
    straits. I don' think Vale has anything to complain about.
    Already working on an excuse, eh?
    You are SOOO full of shit!

    Did you actually watch the freaking race? Rossi got several good looks
    at the Tony the Maniac, and still chose to pass him halfway around the
    last lap. Full creadit to Vale for being a racer and going for it! Too
    bad (for all the fanbois like you) that he got BEAT fair and square.
    Quit with the moaning and excuses!

    BTW, Tony did NOT crash, he did NOT take anyone out. By definition, he
    was NOT 'over the edge.' He had the race of a season/lifetime(?) and
    was a simply better rider than Rossi. Deal with it.
     
    Greg Campbell, Oct 22, 2006
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  17. so, when Rossi ends up ahead, its a straight win, but when Anyone
    else does, it's usually only because of some excuse. Well, your
    "statistics" sure add up to your conclusion, but not that surprising
    since the conclusion came first.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Hartweg, Oct 22, 2006
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  18. Thanks for proving my point.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Hartweg, Oct 23, 2006
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