[QUOTE="Jules"] Ok I'll be honest - what I don't understand is people who get themselves into situations where the above described equation holds true.[/QUOTE] I don't know what "situations" you are thinking of. Here's a real example. My father's car got stolen in the late 80s. There was only about 0 of damage, broken 1/4 vent window and steering lock, and he figured that since he paid his insurance and hadn't made a claim for years had 1 free claim per year without losing his NCB and paid a few dollars extra on his premium to waive his excess he would get the insurance company to fix his car so it didn't cost him anything. A few months later he wrote that car off in an at-fault accident. Because the theft repair counted as his 1 free claim for that year he lost his NCB and dropped a few rating points, which led to additional premiums which would amounted to more than the 0 he'd claimed the first time around. He even tried offering to pay the insurance company the 0 back if they'd erase that claim and let the writeoff be his free claim. No such luck of course. Now, do you understand how people get themselves into situations where the above holds true? (Yes I know most insurance companies deal with NCB on theft claims differently now) Nev.. '03 ZX12R