Old 35 mm movie of San Francisco

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by George W Frost, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. For anyone who may be interested in seeing how things were 105 years ago,

    If you are not interested in what I post, then **** off

    But, for those who are interested in old cars, then go right ahead,
    unfortunately, I didn't see any motorcycles

    The first one is a full screen version

    the second one is a small version

    the third one is what the same street looked like 100 years after

    The fourth one, is I think, maybe the original movie before editing and
    cleaning up

    This film, originally thought to be from 1905 until David Kiehn with the
    Niles Essanay Silent Film Museum figured out exactly when it was
    shot. From New York trade papers announcing the film showing to the wet
    streets from recent heavy rainfall & shadows indicating time of year &
    actual weather and conditions on historical record, even when the cars were
    registered (he even knows who owned them and when the plates were
    issued!).. It was filmed only four days before the quake and shipped by
    train to NY for processing. Amazing but true!
    This film was "lost" for many years. It was the first 35mm film ever.
    It was taken by camera mounted on the front of a cable car

    The number of automobiles is staggering for 1906. Absolutely amazing!
    The clock tower at the end of Market Street at the Embarcadero wharf is
    still there.

    And no traffic lights, no cross walks, no painted lanes, no road signs
    AND NO RULES - yet folks seem to survive okay...!


    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=NINOxRxze9k




    http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Vqcz_tllnwM&feature=related


    http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=nHqpHf_Znzs&feature=related
     
    George W Frost, Apr 20, 2010
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  2. I liked the way that cars went in both directions on both sides of the tram
    tracks
    and the way the pedestrians played chicken with the traffic
     
    George W Frost, Apr 20, 2010
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  3. George W Frost

    VTR250 Guest

    I've seen this before (1st link). I'm sure the reason the film was
    made was because the tram company was pissed off: they knew they could
    go at more than twice the speed and they wanted to get a law against
    'jaywalking.'

    To me, the significance of this film is it shows what jaywalking
    really is; what was banned: walking around on the road not paying
    attention to the traffic at all. The way the law is enforced these
    days leaves you thinking they were crossing at a sensible place,
    looking left and right, just not crossing at an approved crossing
    place!
     
    VTR250, Apr 20, 2010
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  4. George W Frost

    Marty H Guest

    sadly...Jaywalking in Melbourne is getting so bad it is becoming
    ridiculous.

    My office is in the bottom end of Flinders Lane in Melbourne and I am
    driving through the CDB several time each day. The amount of
    pedestrians that just walk out onto the road without looking or worse
    still, looking and simply not caring is astounding, Ipods and mobiles
    phones don't help either.

    I am in a 1800kg moving sledgehammer and even at the speed limit its
    going to win against skin and bone. But people just walk out and
    expect you to slam on the brakes or serve for them. Which I will keep
    on doing cos I dont want a death on my hands.

    I drive the length of Flinders Lane fair a bit, my record for near
    misses (having to either brake , honk or swerve to not hit someone) is
    9, thats at under 50kmh and in about 10 mins

    With all this crap that is thrown on drives that every KM over is a
    killer and fines for 3 kmh over the speed limit, lets put some money
    back into Hector the safety cat

    Seeing that more Pedistians get killed and injuried each year than
    motorcyclist in Vic and dont pay one read cent to TAC/insurance, they
    also dont get fined for their stupid acts... something has to be done
    about it

    mh
     
    Marty H, Apr 20, 2010
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  5. sadly...Jaywalking in Melbourne is getting so bad it is becoming
    ridiculous.

    My office is in the bottom end of Flinders Lane in Melbourne and I am
    driving through the CDB several time each day. The amount of
    pedestrians that just walk out onto the road without looking or worse
    still, looking and simply not caring is astounding, Ipods and mobiles
    phones don't help either.

    I am in a 1800kg moving sledgehammer and even at the speed limit its
    going to win against skin and bone. But people just walk out and
    expect you to slam on the brakes or serve for them. Which I will keep
    on doing cos I dont want a death on my hands.

    I drive the length of Flinders Lane fair a bit, my record for near
    misses (having to either brake , honk or swerve to not hit someone) is
    9, thats at under 50kmh and in about 10 mins

    With all this crap that is thrown on drives that every KM over is a
    killer and fines for 3 kmh over the speed limit, lets put some money
    back into Hector the safety cat

    Seeing that more Pedistians get killed and injuried each year than
    motorcyclist in Vic and dont pay one read cent to TAC/insurance, they
    also dont get fined for their stupid acts... something has to be done
    about it

    mh

    *******************

    Haven't been into the city proper for a while now, but they used to have
    coppers on point duty at each intersection, directing traffic and other
    stuff.
    The point I am getting at, is there used to be a particular copper on point
    at Flinders and Swanston Street intersection, directing traffic and if any
    pedestrian decided to chance the lights and walk against his direction, he
    would call them back to the footpath from where they came from, then talk to
    them for about two ot three mniutes about the dangers of the traffic, thus
    holding them up from catching their train or whatever, making them late for
    an appointment, then he would let them go with the green light, when he was
    good and ready to.
    There were not many who tried to cross against the lights when he was on
    duty, even if they hadn't been caught before.
    Could you imagine the embarrasment?
    If they don't have them now, maybe they should bring back more coppers on
    foot patrol.
    I have seen pedestrians walk across the lanes of Melbourne against a red
    light not giving a **** about the cars who have the green light
     
    George W Frost, Apr 21, 2010
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  6. In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 20 Apr 2010 15:58:23 -0700 (PDT)
    So tell me.

    How many pedestrians have you seen being hit?

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Apr 21, 2010
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  7. George W Frost

    Moike Guest

    Do you mean the copper we knew as the skull, or skullface in the early
    70's?

    I have spoken to him.....

    Moike
     
    Moike, Apr 21, 2010
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  8. George W Frost

    Marty H Guest

    about the same number as I have seen seriously injured or killed on
    Motorcycles or cars

    mh
     
    Marty H, Apr 21, 2010
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  9. George W Frost

    G-S Guest

    2.

    1 died [1][2][3]


    G-S

    [1] both were crossing at traffic lights when the pedestrian lights were
    red.
    [2] my office looks out into an intersection.
    [3] I miss tow truck call out bonuses :)
     
    G-S, Apr 21, 2010
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  10. after you tried running the red light?
     
    George W Frost, Apr 21, 2010
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  11. Bloody pedestrians are twenty to the deener in Melbourne
     
    George W Frost, Apr 21, 2010
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  12. George W Frost

    G-S Guest

    No idea... the ambos didn't pay much I gather.

    Phone calls leading to towing of cars used to pay $20 when I started,
    when it stopped it was worth $50.


    G-S
     
    G-S, Apr 21, 2010
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  13. George W Frost

    TimC Guest

    A CBD like Melbourne *should* be for pedestrian convenience rather
    than for the convenience of idiots in tin boxes. There's more of
    them. They're taking the sensible mode of transport for the
    conditions.

    At Swinburne, there was often 50 people milling about on one side of
    Burwood Rd trying to get to the other side. Particularly at lunch
    time. The road was not particularly busy most times of the day, with
    a constant trickle of cars coming through. They could have been
    buffered up by the light sequences and let through in bursts, allowing
    the large amount of pedestrians to cross regularly. Instead, there
    was a +5 minute cycle of red for pedestrians, and 15 seconds on green,
    and the cars came through spasmodically, but with not enough gap
    between cars to leasurely stroll across the road unaided.

    I usually just ran across the road in the 4 second gap between cars
    rather than deal with that fricking light. When I was pissed off, I
    walked slower. **** the tin boxes.

    --
    TimC
    }> Is "wrongest" an actual word?
    } It's a perfectly cromulent word.
    Which, when used, embiggens us all.
    -- Jeff Ramsey, Steed and D. Joseph Creighton in ASR
     
    TimC, Apr 21, 2010
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  14. Would you wear a bright red jacket next time you cross?
    Then it will be easier to make you a bonnet mascot
     
    George W Frost, Apr 21, 2010
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  15. George W Frost

    Marty H Guest

    yup...just get rid of the vehicles, just because people are stupid and
    risk their own lives by playing hide the chicken with moving objects,
    lets punish the people obeying the law by banning them from using road
    for their intended purpose...

    the problem here is stupid pedestrians, not idiots in tin boxes (thou,
    they do exist)

    speak to Just Al, he collected a stupid jaywalking pedestrian on his
    CX.. let ban motorcycles too..

    I hate this "let ban or fine them" attitude instead of working out the
    true problem and fixing it

    mh
     
    Marty H, Apr 22, 2010
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  16. George W Frost

    Marty H Guest

    so am I, but that is not the point, if you went down that alley, then
    there should be a medicare style levy put in place for every tax payer
    to pay instead of the TAC/3rd party that we now pay per vehicle.

    you pay your TAC/3rd party for the vehicle you are using, as a
    Pedestrian in Vic (correct me if I am wrong), if you get hit by a car,
    doesn't matter if you are in the right or wrong, the TAC still pays
    for your medical bills, therefore you have a free ride, especially if
    you are at fault.. and seeing more Pedestrians get killed in Vic that
    motorcyclist, the TAC we pay, plus the extra $50 blows chunks

    mh
     
    Marty H, Apr 22, 2010
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  17. George W Frost

    Marty H Guest

    Darwin award?

    mh
     
    Marty H, Apr 22, 2010
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  18. George W Frost

    TimC Guest

    Yes, but it's the vehicle that does the damage. If there was no
    vehicle, there would be no damage, so the driver of vehicles in
    general need to contribute to a pool that mitigates the risk that
    their vehicles pose.

    Bicycle riders don't pay a similar tax, because in 99.9% of
    collisions, the bicycle doesn't kill or maim anyone other than the
    rider (TAC is only personal injury and death remember. Bicycles can
    cause property damage, but that's what the civil litigation system is
    for).
     
    TimC, Apr 22, 2010
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  19. George W Frost

    VTR250 Guest

    One very big (i.e. noticeable) difference between the UK and Australia
    is what happens on pedestrian crossings. I thought you were supposed
    to "Stop, Look, Listen, Think" [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
    Green_Cross_Code] i.e. stand at the crossing, see if cars are coming,
    wait until the traffic has stopped or passed before carefully crossing
    the road, (ie. cross defensively). Not march out into the street
    without breaking your stride or even looking. If you did that in the
    UK, people would tell you you were a complete idiot.

    I asked a true blue Aussie mate of mine if many Australians die on
    crossings and he seemed to think they did, but I don't have any
    numbers. Australian drivers seem to behave differently because, I
    assume, they know the pedestrian won't stop look, listen or think.
     
    VTR250, Apr 22, 2010
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  20. Tall copper............ huh??
    from what I have been told about you
    everyone is tall
     
    George W Frost, Apr 22, 2010
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