Old 35 mm movie of San Francisco

<pedant> but there was in the followup post
http://groups.google.com/group/aus.motorcycles/msg/2b14ae4769e1aeeb
</pedant>

 

I was not anywhere near pedestrian lights. The people he hit were
crossing at green pedestrian lights. The point is still he simply
should not have been traveling that fast in a built up area.

And cars are required to give way to pedestrians regardless of whether
they are crossing illegally or not.

Kev

 

Ahh; you mean the post-avoiding-Kev, cyclist careening out of control
into the innocent pedestrians bit.
Yep, there was a green light there that I missed.
My bad; I should've written "Relevance Failure" or "Sequence of Events
Failure" or something more accurate.

 

Yes, so are bicycles.
Of course; he DID manage to give way to you. Due to his somewhat heroic
effort your way was totally unimpeded thus he broke no law.

The only law-breaker there was the jaywalker.

 

Is it illegal to walk across the road?
Where was jaywalking mentioned?

 

!!::!!:: wrote...

Or have locked clamps around their feet...

 

In aus.motorcycles on Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:06:24 +1000

It is if you are within a certain distance of a marked crossing and
are not using that crossing.

Whether this was the case has not been mentioned.

IT is also required that the ped cross safely and with due care for
any lawful traffic which doesn't seem to ahve been done. The traffic
was lawful, and as far as I can tell the ped was not paying attention
to what was happening on the road he was crossing.

I find it very difficult to believe the bike was doing 60kmh on a
small suburban street, takes a while for a pushy to get to that speed
on the flat.

Zebee

 

Not when there's no traffic no. Stepping out in front of a moving
vehicle is illegal though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaywalking
"Jaywalking is an informal term commonly used in the USA to refer to
illegal or reckless pedestrian crossing of a roadway. Examples include a
pedestrian crossing between intersections (outside a crosswalk, marked
or unmarked) without yielding to drivers (snip)

Seems the appropriate word to me.

 

I did not step in front of a moving vehicle. I was almost at the other
side of the road. And there is no SMIDSY here. For **** sake I know
how to cross a road and I also know this dude was travelling at
inappropriate speeds for the area he was in. Can't you get that
through your head? If I go to cross a highway and someone comes around
a sweeper travelling at 250km/h then no, I am not going to be able to
predict that and he is the one in the wrong. Unfortunately I'd
probably be the dead one.

I am NOT in the habit of stepping in front of traffic. Ye gods. Dunno
why I bother replying.

Kev

 

So there's no SMIDSY and yet a cyclist magically materialised out of
thin air and nearly skittled you.
He saw you and swerved to avoid you yet you had not an inkling he was
there until he was past you.
How come attentive-careful-you couldn't see him Kev? (And more
importantly, why do you imagine that all this is *HIS* fault?)

Inability to see the obvious?

 

However if the pedestrian walks when the pedestrian walk signal is red
the situation IS different and the driver isn't automatically at fault.


G-S

 

Yes but the legal situation if they hit them is different.


G-S

 

I'll explain this one last time for the dense in here then give up.

I'm walking down the road and an F111 comes in under ground following
radar at 700km/h. Oops SMIDSY.
Appropriate fucking speeds for appropriate environments. He was not
doing that.

Obviously with you.

Kev

 

was that a F-111C or the D?

seeing the F-111D had the newer Mark II avionics, he should have seen
you and thus avoided the situation

mh

 

Not very many if it was going underground

 

Nah Johno, the F111C was the one we bought in the sixties, where the
ignition key switch was in the dash. The F111D has it on the steering
column.


BTH

 

Hah hah must've been the D as it *did* manage to avoid the Kevstroller!

 

Truth is you have no idea what speed he was doing Kev, because you
didn't even *look* until after he had already avoided you, did you?
*S*orry *M*ate *I* *W*as *T*oo *S*tupid *T*oo *L*ook *A*t *Y*ou!

(But I love the "pedal-powered-vehicle-was-obviously-speeding" defence)

 

And a full-synchro four-on-the-floor!

 

time to give it up mate...

mh