Old Pac Hwy - legality of conflicting Speed Limit and Speed Advisorysigns ?

Consistency heh. There are plenty of signs where you can safely go x2
on the bike and maybe x1.5 in a car *most* of the time. But there
have also been planty of curves I've met where my "safe" speed seems
to be about the advisory sign. From memory, Tasmania is one of those
states where the signs seem more likely to reflect reality.

There's some roadworks near here where I was surpised that I had to
keep to 40. Ok, gravelly off-camber corner down to a dip, around a
bridge being ripped out, but I definitely was surprised by how much
speed I had to wash off.

 

Is that scenic route sign a legal speed limit sign also or is the 40
marking on it merely there for demonstrative purposes?

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

There be two signs in one..those crafty moneysaving smart people at
Council

 

And you can safely ignore the Scenic Route..it's only an advisory sign
and you won't get booked for not looking at the scenic stuff.

 

Heh! I remember hearing about 20 (maybe 30) years ago of some unknown
body from around my hometown going for a drive in the middle of the
night sawing off dozens of signposts at ground level, unbolting the
signs and making off with the poles.

It was speculated that they were making a nice set of sheepyards or
something. ;-)


BTH

 

I'm sure you are correct. There are local modifications to cater for
such things as poorly designed curves (multi-radius, off camber) worn
road surfaces, possible rock falls, possible slippery conditions,
off-road obstacle proximity - the list goes on. Then there is the "We
Know Better" mentality that pervades local, state and federal
bureaucracies, and then there are legal advisers with different
opinions in every branch and department of government. So consistency
could be modified, much like in every other area of multi-government
operation. The AustRoads manual remains the backbone though.

 

This suggests that Council's intent is to respond to the incident
during the June 2007 floods when a family was killed when their car
fell into the space where a culvert used to be. There was a lot of
criticism levelled at the Council's tardiness in getting the culvert
fixed, and their lack of mitigating measures to make the road safe.

My guess is that this is part of their attempt to be seen to be
"lifting their game" and preventing a similar incident. One of the
defences available under the Occupational Health and Safety Act is
that you did all you could to avoid the problem occurring again.
They're trying to demonstrate that. I still think it sucks, but the
days of people using the OPH as their own personal racetrack are long
over.

 

So they left the higher advisory speed signs up for the so-called
dangerous corners subjected to rock falls?

Gosford Council Works Dept still have some processes to work through
LOL.

 

It has occurred to me, on not so rare occasions, to step off the bike
at Mooney Mooney and await passing patrol car with moontanned buttocks
exposed.

 

....and you know what that will get you.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

more than a slap on the wrist methinks.

 

Why do you think the road toll would would drop if you stopped warning
drivers about approaching bends in the road, particularly motorcyclists.
Most rural motorcycle fatalities occur on bends, usually where the
rider has approached the bend too quickly for the circumstances or their
particular skill level.

Advisory speed signs indicate to a driver that the corner they are
approaching might not be taken as quickly as they might expect. For
example if there are a series of bends which are easily navigated at the
speed limit followed by another bend which is not consistent with those
preceeding it.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

But in reality, every damn corner has a warning sign on it, rendering
the warning useless. Cars left wrapped around trees should be their
own warning, dagnammit.

If nothing had warnings and everything had sharp edges, people would
have to take life a lot more cautiously, which has been demonstrated
more than once to cause people to take more care when driving for
example in a city that had been laid out with no delineation between
"pedestrian space" and "car space".

Bring back the spike in a steering wheel, I say.

 

Why is the warning useless? If I approach a corner with a 65kph
advisory, followed by one with an 85kph advisory, followed by one with a
45kph advisory... all of these signs give me useful information about
the corner I am approaching. They don't need to be accurate, they just
need to be consistent, which they usually are. The next time I approach
a corner with a 65kph advisory I know I should expect it to be about the
same as the first corner above. I am not going to start ignoring them
just because there are too many of them. I only ignore the signs I have
seen before on familiar roads.

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

Listened to something interesting on Late Night Live this morning (ABC pod
cast, for those of us that are trying to stay straight, avoiding drugs and
staying up late)

Total fatalities from all wars, genocides, ethnic cleansing, internal purges
etc in the 20th century - say 150m people

Anticipated trauma deaths from road accidents, particularly in developing
countries that industrialise in the 21st century - 151m people.

Sort of puts global warming into perspective, nes't pas?

For mine its in the roads kiddo - get that right (and it requires $) and you
will save lives - all the rest of it - airbags, driver education,
enforcement of traffic regulations pales into insignificance compared to
separated carriageways which dramatically reduce collisions.

This I would like to see people campaigning for - and chance would be a fine
thing Hortense ...

Best, Andrew

 

I never said anything of the sort. I wish you would learn how to use
usenet.

**** that. What kind of rider wants every road ruined by turning it
into a dual carriageway?

Nev..
'08 DL1000K8

 

Separated carriageways certainly render collisions between vehicles
far more difficult to achieve but there's nothing to suggest that
putting people to sleep while they're driving will have the effect
of reducing single vehicle accidents. As the cancer that is the
dual carriageway proliferates, I predict a sharp increase in single
vehicle accidents.


GB

 

Look Andrew, this planet is overpopulated as it is. If we halved the
current population we would only be back to 1970 levels. Still too
high. We should be encouraging people to step off the edge, not save
their lives so they can breed more people.

Geez.

Theo

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:20:20 -0700 (PDT)

And just how many kids did you produce?

Zebee
- who notes none so hard on current sinners as a reformed one

 

Three, all before 1970. They have produced 6, with four partners.

Theo