Old Russian? German? Motorbike

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by NotSure, Sep 10, 2010.

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    NotSure Guest

    NotSure, Sep 10, 2010
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    NotSure Guest

    http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html
    cool! I googled, and yes...looks similar!

    BUT NO CIGAR!! I have been looking at IZH Dnjepr and others, nothing
    even close.
    Lots of british bikes with girder fork (Parallelogramm-Gabel in
    german !!?)

    After a big search I think it might be a TORNAX

    pictures:
    http://miscellaneous-sonstiges.blogspot.com/2010/09/which-motorbike-is-this.html

    There are more candidates ... What do you think?
     
    NotSure, Sep 10, 2010
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    paul c Guest

    Is that a polar bear painted on the door of the truck behind the bike?
    Maybe that might identify the army involved?
     
    paul c, Sep 10, 2010
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  5. "The bear is an ancient symbol of Samogitia, one of the regions of
    Lithuania, and appears in the coat of arms of Siauliai district as
    well."

    http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Symbols_of_Lithuania

    Looks like you're right.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 10, 2010
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    J. Anderson Guest

    Very likely, but it can not be a polar bear. It's probably the white bull of
    Kaunas:
    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kasp_kauno_rinktine.jpg

    Kaunas was at that time the temporary capital of Lithuania (Vilnius being
    occupied by the Poles).
     
    J. Anderson, Sep 10, 2010
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    Tadas Blinda Guest

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs

    Introduction:

    Aurochs
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Jump to: navigation, search
    Not to be confused with Wisent.
    Aurochs
    Fossil range: Late Pliocene to Holocene
    Copy of a painting of an Aurochs owned by a merchant in Augsburg in
    the 19th century. The original probably dates to the 16th century.
    Conservation status

    Extinct (1627) (IUCN 3.1)[1]
    Scientific classification
    Kingdom: Animalia
    Phylum: Chordata
    Class: Mammalia
    Order: Artiodactyla
    Family: Bovidae
    Subfamily: Bovinae
    Genus: Bos
    Species: †B. primigenius
    Binomial name
    †Bos primigenius
    Subspecies

    Bos primigenius primigenius
    (Bojanus, 1827)
    Bos primigenius namadicus
    (Falconer, 1859)
    Bos primigenius mauretanicus
    (Thomas, 1881)
    Synonyms

    Bos mauretanicus Thomas, 1881
    Bos namadicus Falconer, 1859

    The aurochs or urus (Bos primigenius), the ancestor of domestic
    cattle, was a type of huge wild cattle which inhabited Europe, Asia
    and North Africa, but is now extinct; it survived in Europe until
    1627.

    The aurochs was far larger than most modern domestic cattle with a
    shoulder height of 2 metres (6.6 ft) and weighing 1,000 kilograms
    (2,200 lb). Domestication of bovines occurred in several parts of the
    world at roughly the same time, about 8,000 years ago. It was regarded
    as a challenging quarry animal, contributing to its extinction.

    The last recorded aurochs, a female, died in 1627 in the Jaktorów
    Forest Poland, and its skull is now the property of Livrustkammaren in
    Stockholm.

    Aurochs appear in prehistoric cave paintings, Julius Caesar's The
    Gallic War and as the national symbol of many European countries,
    states and cities such as Alba-Iulia, Kaunas, Romania, Moldavia,
    Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, and Uri.

    In 1920, the Heck brothers, who were German biologists, attempted to
    recreate aurochs. The resulting cattle are known as Heck cattle or
    Reconstructed Aurochs, and number in the thousands in Europe today.
    However, they are genetically and physiologically distinct from
    aurochs. The Heck brothers' aurochs also have a pale yellow dorsal
    stripe, instead of white.
     
    Tadas Blinda, Sep 10, 2010
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    NotSure Guest

  9. OK, I'm not sure it's a twin, actually. That appears to be a single
    downtube frame, and the visible cylinder is mounted right behind it, on
    the centre line. The finning on the right-hand "cylinder" does not go
    down so far. It may be something else - not a cylinder.

    Vertical twins were incredibly rare pre-war. There was Triumph and....
    what else?

    It's much much more likely to be a single.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 11, 2010
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  10. Am 11.09.2010 08:42, schrieb NotSure:

    very much

    I have another question. Its good manner to do a question with a name
    and where i am from and not undercover.

    Right?

    regards

    Bernd
     
    Bernd Rosemeier, Sep 11, 2010
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    NotSure Guest

    <OFFTOPIC>
    Ahhh a Blockwart is here!!

    Yes, good german behaviour. One should not make unnecessary work for
    the BND/NSA. All unruly people are suspicious. When push comes to
    shove
    they may be classified as Untermenschen!

    Sorry, couldn't resist.

    Actually, I happen to think that anonymity is essential in this world,
    and I find it more honest to use a generic name, rather than fake
    an identity. I respect anyone's wish to be (semi-) anonymous.
    Please have the grace to do the same, much obliged.

    </OFFTOPIC>

    YES, I thought it might be a SINGLE CYLINDER too.

    I still think it is a TORNAX

    WIKIPEDIA: Tornax was a motorcycle manufacturer in Wuppertal, Germany.
    Tornax built its first motorcycle in 1926. This was the model I-26,
    which has a 600 cc single-cylinder side-valve engine imported from JAP
    in London, England producing 15 bhp. For the remainder of the 1920s
    all Tornax models featured side-valve and overhead valve (OHV) JAP
    engines of 500, 550 and 600 cc

    If you look at the engine, it is very similar to a variant of the JAP
    motor.
    So it could be a british bike, too.

    WHICH MOTORBIKE?
    http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html

    ONE OF THESE?
    http://miscellaneous-sonstiges.blogspot.com/2010/09/which-motorbike-is-this.html
     
    NotSure, Sep 11, 2010
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    NotSure Guest

    NotSure, Sep 11, 2010
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    vello Guest

    So you are real, Bernd? Nice to see I think you get killed on January
    28 on autobahn on an attempt to set a new world speed record. But
    well, that guy writes his family name with "y" :)
    Regards,

    Vello (posting under real name)
     
    vello, Sep 11, 2010
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    Jaksa Guest

    Ah soo!

    Occupied Vilnius, my ass!

    Lithuanian speaking population in Wilno (Vilnius) at about 1.6% in 1916
    (German military authorities estimates) and the city occupied by Poles.

    Joseph Goebbels would be truly proud of you, my son!

    Jaksa
     
    Jaksa, Sep 11, 2010
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  15. Still no reason not to mind your manners. Your insult to Bernd was
    insensitive, rude, and completely out of proportion. In contrast to US
    newsgroups, using your real name ist still very widely spread in
    German language newsgroups.

    In fact, your insult is worse than a racist slur for a German. If you
    want a taste of what it feels like, just imagine someone calling you a
    Soviet collaborator for a minor transgression.
     
    Radbert Grimmig, Sep 12, 2010
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    NotSure Guest

    of course you are right. I apologize to all of you, especially Bernd.
    Quite so. I regret having said it. Please accept my humble and
    unreserved
    apology.
     
    NotSure, Sep 12, 2010
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    Pip Luscher Guest

    That's what I thought
    Didn't notice that.
     
    Pip Luscher, Sep 12, 2010
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    NotSure Guest

    OK, everyone... Here a CONTEST.

    WHAT MODEL/MAKE is this Motorcycle?
    http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100821-kaunas-war/n20100821_134646.html
    (photo was taken approx early-mid 1930s in Kaunas, Lithuania)

    You are getting points for
    05 - correct country of manufacture of the engine
    10 - correct country of manufacture of the bike
    15 - correct company name
    20 - correct model
    25 - correct year of manufacture

    Any suggestions what the 1st 2nd and 3rd prices could be?
     
    NotSure, Sep 14, 2010
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  19. You fucking off.
     
    Stumpy McFall, Sep 14, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    You could demonstrate your remorse by ceasing to crosspost, TYVM.
     
    SIRPip, Sep 14, 2010
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