Only in France.

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    Cab Guest

    Cab, Sep 28, 2005
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    YTC#1 Guest

    And could you explain why they [The French] seeem to be intent on taking
    a Concorde engineer to court over the crash ?

    I thought it was all sorted, a piece of tyre on the runway from an earlier
    plane ?
     
    YTC#1, Sep 28, 2005
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    YTC#1 Guest

    Bad form and all that, forgot the link

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4285832.stm

    And it is a "boss" (My newspaper said engineer)
     
    YTC#1, Sep 28, 2005
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    M J Carley Guest

    M J Carley, Sep 28, 2005
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    M J Carley Guest

    The clue is in the story:

    Mr Perrier is accused of having been told about faults in the
    aircraft but having done nothing to put them right.
     
    M J Carley, Sep 28, 2005
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    TOG Guest

    TOG, Sep 28, 2005
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    TOG Guest


    The Frogs, unfoirtunately, do not have a very good record when it comes
    to the operating of their Concordes. They lost one and *damn nearly*
    lost others on at least two occasions.

    IIRC, the pilots on the fatal flight should not, technically, have been
    flying as they'd missed a medical check and the aircraft was also
    overweight.

    There's now an updated edition of Brian Trubshawe's Concorde book which
    has some scathing things to say about the French operation of the
    aircraft.

    The Frogs never made the money on Concorde that BA made. The aircraft
    was really only suited to one route - transatlantic to New York - and
    on that route, London rules, not Paris. Also, France never managed to
    capitalise on the "pleasure trip" market (£999 round the Bay of
    Biscay, sort of thing) that the likes of Goodwood Travel managed to
    market so successfully.

    So they didn't GAF and axed it as soon as they could. Wankers.
     
    TOG, Sep 28, 2005
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    AndrewR Guest

    AFAIK it's only piracy outside of costal waters.

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    TOG Guest

    TOG, Sep 28, 2005
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    M J Carley Guest

    HMG thinks otherwise:

    Piracy consists of any of the following acts:

    (1) Any illegal acts of violence, detention or any act of
    depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the
    passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

    (a) On the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against
    persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;

    (b) Against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place
    outside the jurisdiction of any State;

    (2) Any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or
    of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship
    or aircraft;

    (3) Any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act
    described in sub-paragraph (1) or sub-paragraph (2) of this
    article.

    (The Tokyo Convention (Anguilla) Order 1987)

    http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si1987/Uksi_19870456_en_4.htm
     
    M J Carley, Sep 28, 2005
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    AndrewR Guest

    OK, I'll see your link and raise you one that mentions actual laws and
    stuff.

    http://www.imo.org/Facilitation/mainframe.asp?topic_id=362
    So you're a fat fucker, then?

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    TOG Guest


    OK, fair enough. Wibbleflip with added parsley garnish for me.
     
    TOG, Sep 28, 2005
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    darsy Guest

    in other France-related I'm in Paris today and tomorrow, and it's
    still shit ;-)

    Trying the Hilton @ La Defence[1] this time to compare against the
    Sofitel - already seems nicer.

    [1] Need to be at La Defence early until late, so doesn't seem worth
    the extra travel-hassle to stay at The Warwick.
     
    darsy, Sep 28, 2005
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    mb Guest

    Nothing to do with anything on the runway.

    From what I recall of a documentary, some French mechanic(s) forgot some
    vital bit in the landing gear.

    This was spotted at the crash site by another Concorde mechanic (a
    Brit). The French then banned all other people from the site except the
    French. Their "investigations" proved that the crash was caused by stuff
    on the runway.

    Witness accounts from firemen close to the runway say it was on fire
    before it could have hit anything. This evidence didn't appear in the
    original French report.

    I'm sure it's on the web somewhere.
     
    mb, Sep 28, 2005
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  15. I wish you'd get your facts or memory straight. Yes, the bit of plane
    left on the runway caused the puncture. The French did also leave out a
    spacer or bush from the undercarriage which *could* have made the
    aircraft difficult to control in extremis.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 28, 2005
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  16. HAAAAAAAAARRRRR!!!

    It be Long Achmed Silva.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 28, 2005
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    mb Guest

    Oh? You saw the same documentary then?
    If not, how do you come to the conclusion that my facts or memory are at
    fault?

    FWIW, the documentary seemed pretty biased against the French
    investigation. Maybe with good reason.
     
    mb, Sep 28, 2005
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  18. Trubshaw's book goes into this in some detail.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 28, 2005
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    mb Guest

    >,
    says...
    Did he mention the witness accounts from the firemen who were at the
    side of the runway, watching the take-off?

    I'm amazed that a small strip of aluminium can puncture a fucking huge
    tyre.
     
    mb, Sep 28, 2005
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  20. Sadly, that only goes to show your ignorance.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Sep 28, 2005
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