Original photo of different item?

I'm currently the high bidder on this item

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120592695027

As some people know, I have a soft spot for Yamaha thumpers, haviung
owned several (two of which were XT600Es) and I want another.

When I placed the bid, the only photo was the main pic used to
illustrate the item. Very, very shiny indeed, as I am sure you will
agree.

After I'd bid, like a day or two after, the seller uploaded all the
other photos. I dunno how this was done, actually, as I didn't think you
could modify a description after a bid had been placed, but I assume he
had the urls in place pointing to where he had the pix and he hadn't
actually got the pix ready at the time.

I have a funny feeling that the original photo was not of the actual
bike being sold. For a start, it wears a carrier, not visible in any of
the other pix, and secondly...

....well, I dunno. Just a feeling. A lack of shininess in the other pix.

I've sent a message to the seller asking whether the original pic is of
the item for sale, and if so, why does it wear a rack not visible in the
other pix, and is the rack included... but no answer.

As you can see, we're dealing with a single-figure FB seller here. OTOH,
the auction description reads like a genuine seller.

As far as I'm concerned, if I bid on the strength of the original pic,
and tht pic turns out not to be of the item being sold, and the ite
turns out to be in considerably worse condition than that in the pic,
the seller can take a hike.

Any other thoughts?

 

The first pic has a decal on it that doesn't show up on any of the other pics.
Also, for some reason there doesn't seem to be a decent pic of the RHS profile
of the bike.

Deffo a different bike that the one in the first pic.

 

I had the same issue a few years back bidding on (and winning) an E36 BMW.
The photo of the car in the listing was not of the actual car I won! The
description was pretty accurate except for "full service history" actually
meant full service history _apart from_ the 23k mile gap between the last 2
services!
I walked away on this one and he gave me NPB then took it to an Ebay dispute
which I won. Wasted a days holiday viewing it and a shitload of time in the
dispute.
JB

 

I've always wondered about the term "full service history". Does it
mean (or *should* it mean) that there is a documented service history
*and all service intervals have been complied with* or does it mean all
services history documentation is present but with no implication that
it is indeed at regular service intervals.

In this case, as long as the seller wasn't trying to imply that there
was an (undocumented) service within that 23k miles, then they're not
actually hiding anything and it then fits the latter description.

 

Yes, that I noticed.

 

Ah, just got a reply. He says it's the same bike, that he took the rack
off, and that it's included in the sale.

 

You can modify the description text now after bids have been placed, I think
it is just the title that has to stay the same.

 

I don't know if this is relevent but on the 1st pic the front brake calliper
seems to be red but on the other photos the other side of it shows it
silver. Also on the back wheel on the new photos there seems to be something
hanging down under the chain guard which should be visible from the other
side but is not there on the original photo.

Having said that the new photos do seem to shop a very good condition bike
anyway....

 

Well I'm no expert but if you look at the first photo the distance
between the bottom of the numberplate and the reflector on the
mudguard appears to be shorter than on subsequent photos. It could be
parallax or something though.

 

I've always assumed that FSH means that _all_ services have been completed
to the manufacturer's recommeded mileage schedule. No gaps; No missing
services. I don't care about not being main dealer serviced. In fact I'd
rather a small independant specialist did the work every time.

There were a few other discrepancies too which rang alarm bells in any case.
I found a mint for the same money a few months later with a binder full of
just about every receipt/bill/MOT etc.

JB

 

The 1st pic is obviously of a bike in a garage or showroom. Maybe the
only one he had of the bike when setting up the auction was the one he
saved from when he bought it. Since then, it's had a few tweaks (rack
removed, caliper replaced etc.) but it's actually the same bike but now
photographed as it is now, in his back garden.

Indeed.

 

Half way along just under the seat but two cups of coffee later I now suspect
that it is a reflection from the strip lighting.

 

Not as described
I suspect that the seller is a numpty and that the original picture
is indeed an online stock picture.
At the end of the day, is the bike actually a good deal at the price,
if so you might still want it.

 

I noticed that too, ans also that the sidestand seems to be shiny
metal on the first pic, black on the others, although that could be
just a trick of the light.

Or maybe it's just red on one side?

Indeed.

 

Description states that centre stand was added to the bike.

 

I'd lean toward the latter. It's no guarantee anyway - there could have
been some hideous fault with the car, fixed to a minimum standard, and
if the invoice isn't included in the bundle of docs then how would you
know?

My thou came with a full service history. An invoice for the first
service, five years previous. Wow.

 

I think he can't be arsed answering your questions:
"If you are not sure either come and see the bike
and try it out or don't bid'

 

Given all of the above you need to go and view - end of. Agree the 1st
pic is not likely to be a pic of the current state of the bike (even
if it is the same bike). If it's with in an hour or two's drive, take
the (current bid) £1000 with you and see if he'll take it there and
then. If it's a shed and you explain you'll not be having it, unlikely
he'll neg you (if that matter to you).

cheers

SS

 

Sellers can no longer leave negative feedback on ebay.

 

On 09/07/2010 08:02, The Older Gentleman wrote:

Yes and no - the wording makes me think he's sold on ebay (a lot)
before, and this is a new account.

Let me know if you want me to take a look, if it really is in Reading,
not too far away.

Heck, I may even check the frame number for you.