[QUOTE="Jim"] We solved the problem by having a double oven (Siemens iQ300 in fact) and a separate microwave.[/QUOTE] Our are Siemens too, link posted elsewhere in this sub-thread. As they do make a compact oven/micro combi we thought we might as well have one. We considered a steam oven too, but that was deemed a bit OTT, and we didn't have room for four ovens (the steam oven would also then be above a standard oven)! [QUOTE] That was the theory at least: the trouble is that you need a special microwave which isn't particularly deep to fit in a wall cabinet. And the kitchen designer has put the cooker hood bang in the middle of an RSJ so it can't vent. And the gas bloke put a gas pipe so the dishwasher won't fit. Which is why I'm still cooking on a camping stove.[/QUOTE] Oops. :o(