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And assuming it's pure seawater there, the freezing point is ...

 

A lot less than if it wasn't in a fast-flowing river.

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Krusty

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Water doesn't have a freezing point, it has a melting point. You can
get pure water down to -40C without it solidifying.

 

Big assumption. The sheer turd and body /shellcasing content would keep
it liquid.

 

I kind of suspect he wasn't[1] actually checking for passengers, but just
walking up and down and quietly going "Faaaaaaaaaaaaaack."

[1]Okay, he probably was. Or wasting time waiting for the launch to arrive.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, wessie

To paraphrase the captain of the Nimrod that ditched a while back:

"Captain saves self; everyone else gets lucky".

Excellent job. He can be my wingman *any* time...

 

You are still dangerous.

 

Interestingly, the captain was ex-military and a glider pilot in his
spare time. He also had an excellent 1st officer with loads of
experience, more than plenty to have his own command.

The right team in the right place at the right time but no less
impressive for that.

 

heh

 

The river would have frozen at -6C, it wasn't, the reports have it at 0C
(32F) and the air temperature at -5C.

Weather for LaGuardia can be found here (assuming you can read TAFs)
http://www.erh.noaa.gov/box/getAviation.php?siteId=LGA

Shows an air temp of -11C at 17:15GMT.

 

Even with a 16mph current?

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Krusty

'03 Tiger 955i
'02 MV Senna (for sale) '96 Tiger (for sale)
'79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale)

 

That would stop it freezing, but being tidal it may freeze at the
shoreline as at times the tide and flow are balanced. The sea froze in
some places in the UK last week at an air temperature of -10C. You would
have thought that the normal sea motion and salinity would have
prevented it doing so until a lower temperature.

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/4029202.SEA_FREEZES_AS_BIG_CHILL_CO
NTINUES_IN_DORSET/

I have seen the Churchill river (Manitoba, Canada) frozen from bank to
bank and that is quite a big river with a strong current. Mind you it
can get down to -40C

 

So moving water freezes at a lower temperature than still water?

 

Not that I've been in a sinking plane situation but if you're in a "need
to be in control and do stuff you're trained to do" situation it is
pretty natural not to say "**** that" and run away.

In my case it was a Class 37 ablaze - fairly dramatic and did involve
climbing back on the footplate to shut the thing down and through the
engine room to knock the batteries out.

The episode was prompted when I waved at the driver of an oncoming HST
(as you do) and he was quite vigorous in his waving back; odd, I thought,
to be so active at 3am. Then I noticed the fields of Berkshire alongside
me appeared to be bathed in an orange glow.

Rear loco of the freight train I had was well ablaze. Ooops.

 

Potomac crash?

 

You should casually drop into conversations that you've driven a train with
an afterburner.

 

Probably because it was out of control and hit a bridge.

 

Precisely. It wasn't a controlled ditch. It crashed.

 

This is why if you work offshore you have to sit through the video
covering the drill for if the helicopter ditches in nasty cold water
every time you fly. You have to do the initial training covering all
types of ditching and you have to do it again on a regular basis but
the idea is that if you do have to ditch it's all instinctive and
you've got a bit of a chance of surviving.

That's got to be entertaining once you know it's under control.

 

Not true if according to the people who trained me. Some of the
training was altered after PA but the basics remained the same.

The ones that survived after jumping into the water only did so
because they'd done hours in the pool being taught how to jump and
what to do once they were in the water and they knew exactly what to
expect. My understanding is that the people that went to the module
expecting it to be the safest place got a shock.