OT : Arse. It's slippy on the A5 through MK

Couldn't agree more. WIth 25 year's experience of snow/ice winter
driving in Norway, I nearly laughed at the car drivers who hooted at me
after I overtook them[1] driving at 10 MPH. Including 4X4 drivers.

BUT - whith no experience of winter conditions, AND no supply of decent
winter tyres, how could you expect the average UK driver to go faster?

I consider them just sensible, staying within their limits.

[1] in a 25 y.o. 2WD car, albeit one with RWD and a sensible 50-50 %
front/rear wheel weight distribution.

 

My old Jag seemed to cope fine, no wheel spin to speak of. Not sure of
the weight distribution except, possibly, lots.

 

Don't fall into that trap - just because it's constantly being repeated
that the public sector have generous pensions doesn't make it so.

Neither does it make it right to do away with them.

As Auvache said, the reason there's not grit is because we want public
service on the cheap and the outsourced contractors have to make their
profits somewhere.

 

But people coping fine just doesn't have the same ring to it.

 

From the Daily Mail [1]:

BRITAIN MANAGING WELL AND IS A NICE PLACE TO LIVE.


[1] OK, probably not.

 

Nope - a solution like this is required:
http://www.mv-motorrad.de/lshop,showdetail,2004g,e,,,10107,,,.htm
Steve

 

I don't think it has much to with distance per se, especially as from
50 miles away I'd expect that most of that is main roads, which are
clear. It's the bits either side of the main road stretches that
are/will be difficult.

In my case, it's the first half mile getting to a decent toad that will
be the problem. It's actually OK now as it's still mainly snow, but
once we get to the point where it is compacted more as people start
using their cars, and it starts to thaw during the day and then freeze
again overnight, it will become thick ice.

 

So is Scotland, but I bet it has fewer miles of road.

Not needed, its warmer

Hands up who thought it was a rant ?

Disagree, the amount of grit needed must depend on the amount of snow
coverage and low temp. (and wind).

So as it snows more and cars move the grit along, more is needed as it
freezes again. Add in wind factor and there is little to no way to
compare.

Good, grit is bad for the metal

MK3 was better

 

Aye, they don't

because they start out on shit wages so get a shit pension.

The media suck on this subject. And the Tories are going to cut cut cut
the little man until they can cut no more.

 

However, it gets a bit tricky up and down inclines. Driving away from
home, I have an incline up to a t-junction, followed by downhill
section to another t-junction. I am happy to admit that I don't have a
lot of experience of driving on thick ice, so it's not something I'd do
out of choice.

 

That's the real issue, and inappropriate speed of course.

Few of us do and a momentary lack of concentration or judgement on your
part or any other road user's part under those conditions can so easily
lead to an "accident". Blocking roads, causing delay etc etc.

 

Poor Nige, just when he thought it was over.

 

<vvbg>

 

You can if it's flat, yes. But even just the road camber can leave you
sliding sideways into parked cars if it is truly sheet ice[1]. I was
sliding down the hill into the village last night with no chance of
stopping if anything had been in the way. I hadn't approached it too
fast or anything, I'd been sat stationery at the top for five minutes
while a car trying to come up gave up & turned around. I lifted the
brake enough to start moving, tried to hold it at less than walking
pace & it just started sliding.

[1] Lots of funny YouTube videos showing this.

 

steve auvache said:

I guess he could badger the local council to ensure its gritted

 

Quite. I once managed to end a slide and come to a stop halfway down
Sutton Bank. After a few seconds I started sliding sideways into the
ditch, and the only way to avoid it was to release the brakes and
carry on downhill. Cadence braking doesn't work if you're going
sideways.

So yes, you can still drive over ice, but only if you're prepared to
accept the chance that you may hit another car.

 

Illegal immigrants rescue trapped cars from snow.

 

Making a mountain out of a mole hill though, isn't it?

 

Asylum seekers repair housing estate, house prices soar!

 

It could fox them unless he is stoatally unreasonable.
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