OT : Good XP Domain Admin book?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by frag, Nov 9, 2005.

  1. frag

    frag Guest

    I've started a new job (yay!) in which I'm the IT network admin,
    including a windows server domain
    controller/email/web/firewall/teamaker as well as taking over the whole
    of the s/w development team (population : 1, moi)

    As I've never done MS server admin before does anyone have any
    recommendations for really good, no nonsense books to cover the
    following:-

    MS Domain Administration
    MS SQL Server
    Active Directory
    (DNS, DHCP, ODBC are things I saw whilst having a quick look at it)

    I'd rather have a slimline reference sort of book, rather than a x000
    page War&Peace type book IYSWIM.

    Only got to do me for a couple of months until I get the go ahead to
    move the whole lot over to a linux server I'll build.
     
    frag, Nov 9, 2005
    #1
    1. Advertisements

  2. frag

    Judge Guest

    If it's only for a month or so, I reckon you can get by with intuition,
    online help and asking here.

    I wouldn't waste any time trying to get under the covers of any of it.
     
    Judge, Nov 10, 2005
    #2
    1. Advertisements

  3. frag

    CT Guest

    [snip]

    So exactly how did you get a job as a network admin when you've
    never done any server admin before?

    <fx:goes back to read job spec with 200k salary on JobServe>
     
    CT, Nov 10, 2005
    #3
  4. frag

    Spike Guest

    As Judge has said, if its only for a couple of months, dont bother unless
    youre actually insterested in it...You can easily get by just by asking on
    here or dropping me a mail with any specifics...

    If youre actually interested in how it all works, any books by Mark Minasi
    are the ones to get. The man actually knows what hes talking about, and
    puts usefull stuff in his books, as opposed to most of them that either tell
    you stuff thats bleeding obvious, or deal with situations relating to
    HugeMegaGlobECorp, when all you want to know is how to add a PC to a single
    domain or something equally simple.
     
    Spike, Nov 10, 2005
    #4
  5. frag

    MikeH Guest

    Jammy. I tried going for a job I knew nothing about once (Linux Admin
    years ago) but there was a test.
    As I didn't know how to mount a floppy[1], let alone compile the stuff
    on it once mounted[2], I failed in a spectacular fashion.[4]
    This sentence should read "I'd rather not be caught reading up".
    [1] Fnaar, obviously
    [2] I couldn't do it anyway, as it turned out his floppy was blank.[3]
    [3] Once he showed me how to mount it[1], we found he had less grasp of
    how to put stuff on a floppy than I had of how to compile it.
    [4] I was invited to read up and go back in a months time, which I did,
    but this time his network was dead. I decided it might be too much work
    for the money, and I had a better offer by then.
     
    MikeH, Nov 10, 2005
    #5
  6. frag

    dwb Guest

    Have you confirmed this would be in the best _business_ interest of your
    employer?
     
    dwb, Nov 10, 2005
    #6
  7. frag

    Mups Guest

    If they've been set up correctly then looking after them is not tricky and
    there's loads of stuff out on the web. I'd just wing it using the on-line
    help.
    <sniffs bait>

    Why?
     
    Mups, Nov 10, 2005
    #7
  8. frag

    dwb Guest

    <knows better but...>

    What has that got to do with it? Far more worrying (from a migration POV)
    would be if the database has no SP's and all the SQL is embedded in the
    application.
     
    dwb, Nov 10, 2005
    #8
  9. frag

    ginge Guest

    Well, IIRC in version 5 of MySQL stored procedures weren't *fully*
    implemented.

    Furthermore, what if the customers applications are written in such a
    way as to take security from active directory groups, and these groups
    are also used to control security in SQL server.

    This whole thread could end up being quite funny.
     
    ginge, Nov 10, 2005
    #9
  10. frag

    dwb Guest

    In a geeky sort of way, yes.

    But certainly (I suspect) not for the company in question.

    But anyway, I'm sure it'll emerge that Frag was just trolling and we've (or
    at least me) fallen for it.
     
    dwb, Nov 10, 2005
    #10
  11. frag

    Krusty Guest

    <Reads back through thread - twice>

    I don't see any mention of moving to MySQL.


    --
    Krusty.

    http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
    http://www.muddystuff.us
    Off-road classifieds

    '02 MV Senna '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
     
    Krusty, Nov 10, 2005
    #11
  12. frag

    ginge Guest

    No, but he's not going to run MS SQL server on linux... what do you
    imagine being used?
     
    ginge, Nov 10, 2005
    #12
  13. frag

    Krusty Guest

    Ah, so it was an assumption. I thought maybe there was some thread
    merging going on or summit.

    As to what I'd imagine - I have no idea. Depends on scale, budget,
    expertise etc etc. Oracle, Oracle XE, DB2, PostgreSQL are all options.

    --
    Krusty.

    http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
    http://www.muddystuff.us
    Off-road classifieds

    '02 MV Senna '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
     
    Krusty, Nov 10, 2005
    #13
  14. frag

    ginge Guest

    I think they'd probably be considered pricey for companies with 1 man
    band it teams.

    Perhaps we should ask an independant IT consultant.
     
    ginge, Nov 10, 2005
    #14
  15. frag

    MikeH Guest

    That's what we thought when we said we could use Oracle instead of SQL
    Server for our recent project. "It's only standard SQL".
     
    MikeH, Nov 10, 2005
    #15
  16. frag

    Eiron Guest

    Did you really expect anything from Microsoft to conform to a standard?
     
    Eiron, Nov 10, 2005
    #16
  17. frag

    dwb Guest

    Hahahhahah.

    Yes they SHOULD be the same - but they aren't. Oracle and MS (as examples)
    are as bad as each other.

    It's much easier trying to migrate SP's than it would hard coded SQL.
     
    dwb, Nov 10, 2005
    #17
  18. frag

    darsy Guest

    If you really wanted to write portable apps, and knew what you were
    doing, your SQL would be neither in a stored procedures or hard-coded
    in the application; you'd stick one-instance-per-RDBMS-SQL fragments
    (or at the very least database-agnostic SQL) in an XML file, and have
    your app dynamically detect which RDBMS was active and use the relevant
    code.
     
    darsy, Nov 10, 2005
    #18
  19. frag

    Krusty Guest

    No it shouldn't. Database vendors provide lots of extensions to
    standard SQL to make life easier/faster/better. Not using those
    extensions in case you decide to port to a different RDBMS at some
    point in the future is just plain daft.

    I'm with dwb on this - do the work on the same tier as the data using
    stored procs. It's easier to maintain, generally faster, produces less
    network traffic, is more secure (blocks sql injection), & makes it
    easier to switch front ends.


    --
    Krusty.

    http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
    http://www.muddystuff.us
    Off-road classifieds

    '02 MV Senna '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250
     
    Krusty, Nov 10, 2005
    #19
  20. frag

    dwb Guest

    Yes, but where's the scope for getting future work in that eh?

    And I'm not sure I'd agree with all that you've said from a performance
    point of view if I've understood it correctly - SP's are (still) more
    efficient than sending through text.

    Now however if you had it read your XML file to get the name of the SQL SP
    (based on platform) to run, then would that not be a good half way house?
     
    dwb, Nov 10, 2005
    #20
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.