OT. Ping the cricketisti

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  1. Malc

    Malc Guest

    Why do teams declare? Do they have to give the opposition a chance to
    win? It strikes me as being a risky policy so can someone enlighten
    me?
     
    Malc, Nov 29, 2010
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  2. Malc

    Gyp Guest

    It's to give the other team the chance to lose.

    If you get to the end of the time without all the innings being played
    then it's a draw.

    HTH
     
    Gyp, Nov 29, 2010
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  3. Malc

    prawn Guest

    Wikipedia sums the nuances of declaring, nicely.

    <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_and_forfeiture#Declaration>

    There are times when declaring early is desirable but not in test match
    situations.
     
    prawn, Nov 29, 2010
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  4. Malc

    CT Guest

    They declare when they're in a potential winning position. Or at least
    a non-losing position.

    Assuming this post is triggered by the situation in the first test,
    England had 3 hours in which to bowl Australia out. It was possible,
    if not probable, and then they would have won the match. Continuing to
    bat could only ever result in a draw.
     
    CT, Nov 29, 2010
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  5. Malc

    ogden Guest

    Roughly speaking,

    First innings: team A bats, ends when team B bowls A out

    Second innings: team B bats, ends when team A bowls B out

    Third innings: team A bats, ends when team B bowls A out or A declares.
    If team A fails to get as many runs in total as B did in the second
    innings, B wins by an innings.

    Fourth innings: team B bats, ends when team A bowls B out or they run
    out of time. If team B gets more runs in total than A, then B wins by x
    wickets. If team A bowls B out before that happens, then A wins by x
    runs. If neither happens, it's a draw. Team A has to allow enough time
    to be able to bowl B out, which is why they declare - if the third
    innings lasts til the end of the match (because B can't bowl A out) then
    the best either side can hope for is a draw. And they want to win.

    Or, last night, team A knows it's going to be a draw but declares to rub
    in the fact that B can't possibly get enough runs to catch up whatever
    they do. Ho ho ho.
     
    ogden, Nov 29, 2010
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  6. Malc

    Malc Guest

    OK Ta. I understand enough now.
     
    Malc, Nov 29, 2010
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  7. Malc

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    snip>
    We could have declared earlier and given them some encouragement to go
    for it but we only need draws to retain the Ashes so **** giving them
    even a sniff of a chance.

    The convicts must be seriously demoralised after bowling for nearly 2
    days and only getting one wicket and to make matters worse it wasn't
    even one of their full time bowlers who took that wicket.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Nov 29, 2010
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  8. Malc

    Salad Dodger Guest

    In the olden days, teams used to have to contirve ways of getting "all
    out" in an attempt to get time to force a result. the ability to
    declare the innings closed removed this peculiarity.

    Also, the declaration gives a side the option of placing *all* of the
    blame on the captain when they get beaten, rather than the normal 99%.
     
    Salad Dodger, Nov 29, 2010
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  9. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Salad Dodger
    Except, of course, when Pakistan are playing.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Nov 30, 2010
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