Very OT but for these who are interested in the railways or wish to hear how badly government and the civil service can work sometimes then give this is a listen. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/thereunion/pip/5cgqd/[/URL] It's repeated on Friday and is on Listen Again. Listening to what went on and what the views of those who were involved are now is enough to make you cry.