Simon Gates wrote[QUOTE] If you go to Tunisia, and have some fresh dates form an average Tunisian market, you'll find they are absolutely gorgeous.[/QUOTE] Yes I know. However the chances of me going to Tunisia are slim to non existent without a sponsor and I don't have many of them beating a path to me door at the moment. [QUOTE] They have 3 basic classes of date: class 1 for eating, class 2 for making cakes (et al) out of and selling to dozy British date importers covered in syrup, class 3 for making jam / wine / etc out of.[/QUOTE] No that is wrong. The Tunisian dates, to a fruit, I have bought over the course have my quest have all been shite. We aren't seeing anything even approaching class 2. Not on general sale anyway, the good stuff isn't for us white-eyes.