OT Subaru pull out of WRC

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Alan, Dec 16, 2008.

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    Alan Guest

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    Nige Guest

    Nige, Dec 16, 2008
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    Cane Guest

    Didn't Suzuki go last week?
     
    Cane, Dec 16, 2008
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    Nige Guest

    Yeah
     
    Nige, Dec 16, 2008
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    Nige Guest

    What a fucker, I like WRC & Subaru have been a main part of the sport
    for many years. One more goes & it's fucked really.
     
    Nige, Dec 16, 2008
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    Pip Guest

    IMHO, the purpose-built (Group 'S', was it?) cars, the 'Forest Racers'
    ruined stage rallying. The Quattro was only the start of it - the
    6R4, the RS200, the Stratos, they required huge investment and, TBF,
    better drivers than they got. All of a sudden, an air of
    preciousness, of elitism, came over the upper echelons and the drivers
    became exalted prima bloody donnas. You can see what happened by the
    way that the once-mighty RAC rally, that supreme test of man and
    machine, was emasculated and watered-down to a series of showpiece
    rallysprints run in daylight. Now it doesn't exist any more.

    British forest rallying got so expensive that only the big teams or
    wealthy/well-sponsored individuals could afford to compete. This was
    justified by the steeply increased charges from the Forestry
    Commission, who argued successfully that they had to re-grade every
    track that was used by the uber-powerful 4WD cars after the single use
    that they got. Having seen the damage and having co-piloted cars
    (much, much) further down the order and having to suffer the deep
    trenches left behind, I'm forced to accede that point.

    Not only that, but the condition of the tracks was so poor after a
    single use, that they couldn't be re-used, as they so often were -
    sometimes as a section later on in the day, sometimes in the reverse
    direction. This increased expenses again, obviously. The big
    national and international events were always expensive, to enter and
    to organise, but the increases were in orders of magnitude once the
    supercars came into use.

    Rallying may have improved the breed, but it ultimately became a
    self-destructive beast.
     
    Pip, Dec 16, 2008
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    wessie Guest

    I wonder, if the works teams pull out, will we see some opportunist
    privateers enter the WRC. Perhaps a well heeled Italian bearing no 46?
     
    wessie, Dec 16, 2008
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    wessie Guest

    I wonder, if the works teams pull out, will we see some opportunist
    privateers enter the WRC. Perhaps a well heeled Italian bearing no 46?
     
    wessie, Dec 16, 2008
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  9. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, wessie
    Motzarella sneezing again, is it?
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Dec 16, 2008
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    Lozzo Guest

    Blimey, two well heeled Italians and both bearing No. 46.
     
    Lozzo, Dec 16, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    Gets better every year IMO. The full sleeping in a Scottish forest in a
    car old RAC Rally style if you want.

    We just went down or rather up for the day to Langdale on the Saturday
    in a mate's lad's Subaru.

    Two rallies to be watched with everyone coming through twice at a
    civilized hour. We found an excellent vantage point where you saw every
    car twice (two 90 degree bends back to back) for double enjoyment.

    A few Porkers, loads of Escorts, a two stroke Saab, several Beemers.

    Followed by a visit to the wonderful Tardis-like, gas lit, White Horse
    hostelry in Beverley.

    A grand day out. Only marred by coming back to the Subaru parked in
    Beverley, to find a couple of locals from a coach trip just finishing
    pissing up the back wheels. Norvern monkeys eh?


    A bit far oop north for you these days though perhaps.

    http://www.rogeralbertclarkrally.org/
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    wessie Guest

    I'm getting my money's worth. It cost me **** all to annoy you...
     
    wessie, Dec 16, 2008
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    les Guest

     
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    RACMSA National for the main event. Just a club level licence for the
    support events (Kall Kwik etc.) I think, plus membership of an invited
    motor club.

    Have you got an old Escort Mexico tucked away somewhere then?

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    Timo Geusch Guest

    Probably depends on how bonkers you want to go. A decent E30 3-series,
    around 1k-1.5k. You'll need to strip it out (free, it's just work), get
    an approved cage, seats and harnesses (that's probably then next
    1k-1.5k), fire equipment (surprising cheap - around 200-300). Some
    suspension work, skid plates etc - how deep is your wallet? Another 1k,
    poss. I wouldn't bother with engine tuning, make the car strong enough
    so it'll survive being chucked around the forest and safe enough to keep
    you alive if you decide to go hunting for trees.

    So I'd say you can probably build a working club-level rally car for
    around 5 grand or less. Then it's the cost of the event and possibly the
    support team (aka the usual UKRM suspects). AFAIK Classic Motorsports in
    the US built their SAAB 99 rally car for that sort of budget or less, as
    their main expense was getting a custom cage fitted, but then again I
    think they did most of the other work themselves.
     
    Timo Geusch, Dec 17, 2008
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    darsy Guest

     
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    platypus Guest

    Car magazine ran a Skoda competition car around the same time, possibly in
    hill-climbs IIRC.
     
    platypus, Dec 17, 2008
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  19. One of my uncles used to do rallying in a (slightly tricked-up) Morris
    Marina. He used to get through about 1 engine every two races..

    And it cost him next to nothing..

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Dec 17, 2008
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  20. He often described it as a public service - destroying Marina engines
    wholesale and Marinas piecemeal.

    Phil
     
    Phil Launchbury, Dec 17, 2008
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