Oversized leathers?

Yeah, young people dieing for nought will do that to you. Also, having the
courage of my convictions and not hide behind a nom de plume.......[1]

Only an acknowledgement junkie, in as far as you have targeted Clem as the
one that had "titanic clashes" with the unmentionable one and was unable to
let anything else go, could have equally applied to me. Not mentioning me
(and the others) stuffed your hypotheses.

You were hardly all things sugar and spice when you rocked up either.

Hammo
[1] despite what I have been allegedly been linked to.

 

So you aren't out to make a buck now? I've bought "quality" stuff that had
to be repaired, and it still failed, and I wasn't a noob (sic) when I bought
them.

Does that mean it was a poor quality kit? Your analogy in another thread of
deformation of a car in a crash could be used here to say that they served
their purpose. The reference to fetish gear is lame and misleading.

Hammo

 

Oh dear, you haven't been following the "real" world then!

So the ones you are peddling are "top of the line for 4 years old stock
price"?

Hammo

 

Its bound to be true then!

After all, BigIain is Rip Hangry!

Hammo

 

Well, comparatively, a fair bit less of a buck than most other people in the
game.

Yes. The stitching is supposed to be the strongest part of a race suit. In a
sliding crash, the leather surrounding the stitching is supposed to be able
to abrade through without the seam failing. This stuff just popped open like
it was zippered together. Of all things, the seam between the seat and the
left inner thigh parted.

Nobody else I've seen crash has had their leathers sustain this sort of
damage. They've had the leather next to the stitching let go, but the
stitching itself stayed put. That's what it's supposed to do.

Again, no. The leathers' job is to stay together and keep the rider encased.
If they tear in any way, they can't do that.

I got a mental image of Trinity on the 996 as I was typing up that last
post...

 

Hrm... I obviously haven't read far enough back...

So everyone deals with the intrusion of a self-important boor upon an online
forum in exactly the same way, now?

The topic here was Clem's somewhat baffling judgemental episode this
morning, which I can see myself believing might have roots in his duels with
Kirk. As few of the other regulars who helped boot Kirk out the door seem to
have had the reaction to this thread that Clem has, any flame wars they
might've had with him would be of limited relevance, no?

If you want me to now belatedly mention what was certainly some very fine,
vigorous and fervent flaming on your part, I'll gladly do so; but, to be
honest, it would feel like I'm patronising you.

Having shit talked about your friends will do that to you...

 

As you're so fond of pointing out, I'm an academic living in Canberra.

Yes, that's exactly what they are. I'll upload that exact sentence to the
subliminal message satellite for tonight's marketting.

 

Because I was trusting my memory (and my memory was OK);
http://tinyurl.com/232p2 and http://tinyurl.com/yqdyp (I'm surprised you
seem to have missed them.... .)
~

Think what you like Marko; you'll have to excuse me if I don't get too
excited about your opinions here...

 

You have totally misunderstood my posts then Marko.
I have no problem with commercial activity (I don't think I've ever even
fucked-off any spammer-bitches).
I just get a little piqued when I see people screaming and whining when
they get called to task on their questionable behaviour.

You either be squeaky clean or you cop it on the chin when you get
caught......
Clem
[sits back in the comfy chair to await the "yeah you were right, sorry..."
post]

 

July and October, 2002... my bad, I only looked a back a single year, not
two.

And, are you seriously going to contend that there are going to be people
naive enough reading either of those two posts that they'll come away
thinking anything other than "The guy's pushing the company he owns, or at
the very least has a significant stake in"?

Crude marketing, perhaps.
Underhanded, or under false pretences, give me a break.

(sigh)An end loop... fair enough... I won't get excited about your opinions
here, either, because, on a bad day, you can be a prize judgemental prick
and far be it from me to try and snap you out of it. You can shake it off in
your own good time.

 

[cough] [cough] rusty-chains [cough]
Clem

 

Nuff said.

It just popped open? The stitching, the leather, what gave way?

So, all crashes are the same? Thanks for playing.....

Nah, they'd layer the leather, wouldn't they?

<rip>

Hammo

 

The stitching.

If you're going to purposely be obtuse and literal, I'm not going to play
any more... have your argument with Smee over in the other thread.

You know that I wouldn't've said the above if I hadn't seen a few, not just
one, or a couple, of people go bouncing down the road and taken note of the
damage their leathers had sustained. Their leathers either stayed together,
of lost some of the flimsy leather which comprises the "graphics" on the
suit, or, in the most extreme of cases, tore small holes in the larger
leather panels near seams, like across the back or shoulder. I haven't seen
a single other popped seam.

Well, you'd think so... that's another thing I was too ignorant to look for
and something else they'd skimped on. What layering there was was like a
wedding cake; instead of the leather panels overlapping, they were wholly
"nested" within one another.

 

Oh the poor hangdog (hangmore?) crew and their (individual) stacking
wheelies at Mt White? I think that was deserved, don¹t you? Or was someone
picking on Big?

Hammo

Was there was more about someone running into a car?, but I don¹t recall the
details, feel free to tell all.

 

Oh dear, count to ten, breathe.....

So, they are then? Its your chance to set it straight. You may gain some
buyers if you do put the suits you are selling in amongst what is for sale,
or lose some.

Hammo

Quite frankly, and sorry Joe, you are losing me.....

 

Trolling is fair in love and war....

Hammo

Plus, I was already an established "identity".

 

So you bought Spidi leathers then?

No, you were hardly being fair, so I thought I'd help balance the argument.

Though (and I cant believe I am typing this) Is it fair to call all offs the
same and disregard the contributing factors? Do you still read Performance
Bikes and believe all their tests?

I have seen plenty of "torn" and "ripped" leathers, as well as popped seems.
I have seen seems that undid, some due to the abrasion, others due to the
leather tearing at the stitching, and (shock horror) due to the stitching
just giving way.

That¹s why things are made outta kevlar aint it?


Hammo

You going to now preach about storage and rejuvenation of leathers? Cos, if
you don¹t, you know........

 

Intact Kneeslider wrote:

Nah we agreed to disagree and are drinking pisshead's beer.

 

Beer? where?

Johno

 

Unlike Dainese, who do make a token effort at catering for us pituitary
freaks, Spidi flat-out do not. Size 58E is as big as anything they make
comes in. So I couldn't've been wearing Spidis, which, at, from memory,
$1495 for the cheapest two-piece a couple of years ago, hardly qualify a
cheap.

I have seen the effects on a set of Spidis looping a wheelie and sliding
along the road behind the desintegrating bike has; figure just a shade over
100kph getoff speed, with about a metre of vertical drop onto the road.
Didn't seem to fare any worse than other stuff of the same calibre. Nothing
more severe than surface abrasion on the leather. These were a current
design, though.

Whether Spidi spent the early 90's trying to shake off a rep for
desintegrating leathers, I don't know.

argument.

I don't get it. I've compared my experience of a moderate-intensity crash
wearing el-cheapo leathers to what I've seen happen to people who've crashed
in leathers from the usual suspects; Dainese, Texport, Spidi, Alpinestars,
Hein-Gericke. The results were, my el-cheapo leathers failed to do their job
by failing to stay together, while the name stuff did like it said on the
tin, and sustained damage while still remaining functional and providing
protection with room to spare right up to the point the rider slid to a
halt.

Where's "unfair" come into that?

Again, I'd hope you'd give me a bit more credit than that, just like I
believe you when recount your experiences below. I'm perfectly prepared to
figure you as having spent plenty of time pitcrewing for mates, or
marshalling at race meetings, or being involved in things which would've
allowed you to see what leathers have to put up with in a crash and how they
cope. Have you raced? I don't know. You might have...

Why not extend me the same courtesy? However else I conduct myself on here,
do I have a habit of talking out of my arse?

To answer your question from the other post, my current leathers are a
two-year-old Texport two-piece (now superseeded, following a quick squiz on
the Texport website). It's my second set, bought after the armour in my
first Texport two-piece did such a fair job in the accident which wrote off
my R1.

Laying them out on the bed next to the sample set Joe's sent me to dazzle
people with, I would say the craftsmanship and design are about level,
despite the chrome bits on the Texports doing their best to appear flashy.
The Underdog set is markedly more solid around the collar and around the
arse and hips (more leather). The armour is in all the same places, and the
Underdog set has built-up material on the chest, abdomen and back, which is
handy when a bar-end or similar tries to poke you in the scapula.

They don't look as much like astronaut outfits as the upper reaches of the
Dainese and Alpinestars catalogues, but what does? That style is why
Alpinestars can get away with charging a grand for a jacket.

On balance, I'd say I'm being a bit conservative if I say that this sample
of $800 leathers I have is as good as the set I paid $1350 (with a discount
courtesy on knowing a guy who worked for NFI at the time) for without being
given the choice of colours, and without them being custom-fitted to me.

Like I said to begin with, I wouldn't've come on board with this if it was a
con-job. It's good gear and it comes at a good price.