Paging electronics types : Datatool transmitters

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Chris Sharp, Feb 8, 2011.

  1. Chris Sharp

    Chris Sharp Guest

    I have the dubious blessing of a Datatool System 3 alarm / immobiliser.

    This wonderful device comes with two transmitter fobs. And they are both
    knackered.

    Beneath the nubbins on the outer shell are cages with white plastic
    actuators sitting in them, and beneath those are little convex, sprung
    steel discs that operate as switches.

    The problem is that all four of these discs - two in each fob - have
    been flattened by repeated use and so no longer spring back away from
    the terminals when you let go - instead they just bridge them
    permanently.

    This must be a relatively common problem, and I can't be alone in being
    extremely reluctant to give Datatool any money for a new transmitter -
    so, has anyone out there successfully sourced replacements for these
    little discs ?

    My Google mojo is weak, not least because I haven't the faintest idea
    what they're actually called...

    Of course, what I should really do is just rip the damn thing out, but I
    know for a fact that I'll terminally **** up the electrics if I try it
    myself. Can anyone recommend a man who knows about these things in the
    London area ?
     
    Chris Sharp, Feb 8, 2011
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  2. Chris Sharp

    CT Guest

    What? To rip the damn thing out and **** up the electrics for you?

    darsy's yer man on the spot for that IWHT.
     
    CT, Feb 8, 2011
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  3. Chris Sharp

    Pete Fisher Guest

    No, but according a forum posting I happened upon this setup may be able
    to assist:

    http://www.elitemotorcycleservices.co.uk/index.html

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    Pete Fisher, Feb 8, 2011
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  4. Chris Sharp

    wessie Guest

    Speak to Lozzo. He will know how to do it, may offer to do it for
    cash/favours or should know a man who has the knowledge & time.

    If it's the approved unit fitted as an option to Triumphs then it won't be
    a complex or intrusive job as the factory wiring harness is pre-made with
    the connectors in the right place. Just needs someone with the right
    knowledge to remove it and tell the ECU it has been removed.
     
    wessie, Feb 8, 2011
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  5. Chris Sharp

    ian field Guest


    They used to be very common in calculator keypads.

    These days everything is that soft springy rubber with conductive pads or
    flexible membrane keypads.

    Ahhh- just remembered where I'd seen some.

    A few days ago I scrounged a bag of disposable cameras from the Kodak shop -
    the Kodak ones had those little springy steel "popper" disks on the button
    that starts the 350V converter.

    Offer the shop up to £1 each for half a dozen *Kodak* disposable cameras -
    give them a line about developing a project based on the HV converter for
    one of the electronics hobby magazines and they might even donate the
    cameras.
     
    ian field, Feb 8, 2011
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  6. Chris Sharp

    Lozzo Guest

    You don't need to rip the whole thing out, in fact it's nigh on
    impossible on a Daytona 955i because the alarm is hard wired into the
    bike's electrics at factory. You need the bridging plug that goes into
    the socket that the alarm main unit plugs into. When I bought mine from
    Adies she gave me the plug with all the documents so you should have
    one. I know I used to leave them in the owner's pack when I was PDIing
    Triumphs at Flitwick. If you don't have the plug go see your local
    dealer and see what they can do.


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    in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
    BMW E46 318iSE (it's a car, not one of those 2-wheeled pieces of shite
    they churn out)
     
    Lozzo, Feb 8, 2011
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  7. Chris Sharp

    Chris Sharp Guest

    I'm pretty sure I haven't got one of these, but there is a bag of bits
    somewhere - I'll have a root around later on. I guess Metropolis in
    Vauxhall might be able to supply one if not, I'll check it out.

    So it's just a question of unplugging the alarm unit and replacing it
    with the plug ? Seems suspiciously straightforward !

    Thanks for the info, appreciated.
     
    Chris Sharp, Feb 9, 2011
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  8. Chris Sharp

    Chris Sharp Guest

    That's quite random, but I'll investigate, thanks !
     
    Chris Sharp, Feb 9, 2011
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  9. Chris Sharp

    ian field Guest


    Go careful pulling them apart - the photoflash capacitor can retain some
    charge.
     
    ian field, Feb 9, 2011
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  10. If it's like my Trophy, it doesn't even need that. Unplug alarm system
    (one large jack plug) and plug in 'blanking plug' (for want of a better
    word).

    Job done. No need to faff with anything.

    But the modern FI bikes may be more complex, I suppose.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 9, 2011
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  11. Chris Sharp

    wessie Guest

    (The Older Gentleman) wrote in
    You'd wonder why they bothered to fit the system in the first place if it
    is that easy to remove. Nicking the bike would just involve lobbing it into
    the back of a soundproofed van (stolen refrigerated lorry) and taking the
    bike to a lock-up to fit the replacement connector (this probably has a
    shunt or resistor to connect a couple of pins so that the ECU gets the
    right message).
     
    wessie, Feb 9, 2011
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  12. Chris Sharp

    Lozzo Guest

    It really is as simple as that. The plug is wired to bypass the alarm
    box. The dealer will need the VIN from the bike and probably the
    registration document as well to verify ownership. The Triumph factory
    have a database of the alarm plug wiring configuration for each bike
    made because they didn't use the same one on all Daytona 955i's for
    obvious reasons.

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    Lozzo
    Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , CBR600F-W racebike
    in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
    BMW E46 318iSE (it's a car, not one of those 2-wheeled pieces of shite
    they churn out)
     
    Lozzo, Feb 9, 2011
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  13. Well, quite.
    Probably. I remember reading the manual, and discovering that all you
    had to do was plug in the Triumph alarm (a Datatool, like you say) via
    the connector in the seat hump cubbyhole, after first removing (and
    safely storing) the blanking plug.

    And I had a shufti, and there it was.

    If I were doing it these days, I'd make sure that the blanking plug was
    coded to the ECU, like an ignition key is: that would make the thieves'
    life a bit harder. Perhaps it already is: I dunno.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 9, 2011
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  14. Chris Sharp

    zymurgy Guest

    I need to pull out the alarm from my Tiger, it's fucked.

    You can disarm it only after setting the alarm off. I think it's on
    its way out .. :/

    Paul.
     
    zymurgy, Feb 9, 2011
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  15. Chris Sharp

    Lozzo Guest

    Same procedure for removing the alarm - you'll need the correct plug to
    refit in the socket.


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    Lozzo
    Versys 650 Inter-Continental Hyperbolistic Missile , CBR600F-W racebike
    in the making, TS250C, RD400F (somewhere)
    BMW E46 318iSE (it's a car, not one of those 2-wheeled pieces of shite
    they churn out)
     
    Lozzo, Feb 9, 2011
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