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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG@Toil, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. TOG@Toil

    TOG@Toil Guest

    You wouldn't have one of those nice oversize pilot jets for an MZ
    TS250, would you? You know: the ones that achieve a decent tickover?
    I'm certain mine's running the original, so you can have a tickover
    and hunting on the over-run, or a nice smooth overrun and not much of
    a tickover. You know the scene.

    Ta.
     
    TOG@Toil, Jun 30, 2008
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  2. TOG@Toil

    sweller Guest

    Never heard of that.

    Set the ignition so it's less advanced 2mm BTDC rather than 3mm.

    ....and do it with a dial gauge.

    My Supa 5 or Trophy don't hunt and both idle ok.
     
    sweller, Jun 30, 2008
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  3. Hokay.

    It was a common mod - I've just called Burwin and they have the jets for
    under a fiver.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 30, 2008
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  4. TOG@Toil

    Lozzo Guest

    2mm BTDC is *more* advanced than 3mm BTDC.
     
    Lozzo, Jun 30, 2008
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  5. TOG@Toil

    sweller Guest

    I was an MZRC member when it was only 2 stroke and never came across it.
    The hunting never seemed an issue but I may have a certain "MZ Tolerance".

    Let me know what size it is they send you - I may have some in my boxes
    of carbs.
     
    sweller, Jun 30, 2008
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  6. TOG@Toil

    sweller Guest

    Are you sure?
     
    sweller, Jun 30, 2008
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    Ace Guest

    Not sure how you can measure timing in mm anyway.

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    Ace, Jun 30, 2008
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  8. TOG@Toil

    sweller Guest

    Two strokes are set in mm and you use a dial gauge. A quick Google turns
    this up:
    http://www.geocities.com/spoomym/timing/timing.html

    It also explains advanced. To put it in four stroke terms the Guzzi
    (from memory) fires at 8 degrees BTDC and full advance is 34 deg BTDC
     
    sweller, Jun 30, 2008
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  9. TOG@Toil

    Lozzo Guest

    Pretty sure, if you retard it you're firing at further before TDC where
    compression is lower, you move it closer to TDC to advance where
    compression is higher and make more power. Retarding ignition will make
    starting easier, advancing will make it more difficult.

    A common trick with points model RDs was to advance the timing from
    2.3mm BTDC to 1.8mm BTDC to push the power further up the rev range, so
    it will pull higher gearing.
     
    Lozzo, Jun 30, 2008
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  10. TOG@Toil

    sweller Guest

    Other way round and it's less to do with compression and more to do with
    engine speed and load. Basically, the further the point of firing is
    before TDC the more advanced it is (the spark occurs in advance of TDC).

    Saves me typing:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_timing
     
    sweller, Jun 30, 2008
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  11. TOG@Toil

    Lozzo Guest

    The **** that taught me all this 30 years ago got it wrong, or I
    listened wrong. Doesn't matter, I never really did much points stuff
    anyway.

    Thanks for pointing it out
     
    Lozzo, Jun 30, 2008
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  12. TOG@Toil

    sweller Guest

    May explain why you've had to rebuild so many blown up two stroke
    engines...

    The same principle applies to electronic ignition too.
     
    sweller, Jun 30, 2008
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  13. TOG@Toil

    Lozzo Guest

    I never really did, mine were generally reliable once built and left
    alone. I just checked an RD forum and moving timing from 2.3mm to 1.8mm
    BTDC is a common enough thing to do.
    I just set 'em up like the maker says in the destructions and leave
    them well alone from then on.
     
    Lozzo, Jun 30, 2008
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  14. TOG@Toil

    Lozzo Guest

    Yeah yeah, I got it wrong for 30 years....go on, poke fun at the
    foreign bloke.

    Like I said, it never really mattered to me, I just adjusted them as I
    was taught and left them alone. Whether it was retarded or advanced
    never really mattered to me
     
    Lozzo, Jun 30, 2008
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  15. They said 4.5-5.0
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jun 30, 2008
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  16. TOG@Toil

    Lozzo Guest

    How is it?
     
    Lozzo, Jun 30, 2008
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  17. TOG@Toil

    Lozzo Guest

    I think you're right.

    My mate Ratty has an almost new Ohlins shock for sale, I'll ask how
    much.

    I still think the front on your bike is set up way too hard. It's like
    the springs are suited to a 35 stone bloater, but the standard shock
    was set up for someone my weight.

    --
     
    Lozzo, Jun 30, 2008
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