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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by BGN, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. BGN

    BGN Guest

    Hello dears.

    I've nuked a computer of a squillion viruses and various Spyware apps.

    As soon as all viruses were squished one would go online with his DSL
    connection and it would download some new viruses. There were a few
    IRC based viruses, but no IRC client so I assume that his computer was
    used as a drone whenever it was online by people with too much time on
    their hands.

    After a good clean (McAfee Virus Scan, Grisoft Antivirus (free),
    Lavasoft AdAware and SpyBot having a go) it is now working normally. I
    put on WinXP SP2 via a USB download and installed it. Turned on the
    WinXP firewall and it is now 100% up-to-date and it doesn't download
    anything untoward while online *on my network* via my router.

    What I'm worried about is when it's on an unprotected network (ie.
    plugged into his DSL modem) it might be able to connect to something
    that my network didn't allow it to.

    I need to be able to see what ports it is opening and trying to
    connect to when it boots and goes online via the network.

    Can you think of an application I can install that will monitor and
    log what it tries to prod and connect to?

    I wish to make sure it's in perfect working order when it first
    connects to the internet at his place, and it stays that way without
    being hijacked.

    Buying a Mac, installing Linux isn't an option on this one I'm afraid.
    He needs Windows XP.
     
    BGN, Dec 9, 2005
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  2. BGN

    Tim Guest

    tcpview from sysinternals.com will show what's hooking-up in real time.
    I used it to find something on a friends machine that Symantec
    completely missed.
     
    Tim, Dec 9, 2005
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  3. In uk.rec.motorcycles, BGN amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:
    TCP view's pretty good.

    It doesn't log unfortunately but it'll show you what's running and on
    what port and it'll give you a resolvable IP address of where it's
    going.

    Google for it. It's a freebie.
     
    Whinging Courier, Dec 9, 2005
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  4. BGN

    Catman Guest

    BGN wrote:
    Zone alarm will do that

    Just don't let it auto configure. It will then ask permission for every app
    that tries to call out.

    There are probably better ones, but that will deffo do what you asked.
    You'll have to stop him using IE for a start.



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    Catman, Dec 9, 2005
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  5. BGN

    Catman Guest

    How's it do that then?
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    Catman, Dec 9, 2005
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  6. BGN

    John Guest


    You may want to have a look for Prevx. It's an IPS that will stop things
    loading to your PC. If all of your antivirus signatures are up to date, get
    hold of the home user Prevx and load it. You will then stop any virus /
    adware / ..... running on your PC.


    J.
     
    John, Dec 9, 2005
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  7. BGN

    ginge Guest

    Using Zone Alarm instead of windows firewall will stop unauthorised apps
    making outbound connections.
     
    ginge, Dec 9, 2005
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  8. Not all of them, it won't - but it will stop 99%. Maybe 99.9%. Certainly
    enough.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Dec 9, 2005
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  9. BGN

    Catman Guest

    Do you have evidence that un-authorised apps can get out past it? Just
    curious.
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    Catman, Dec 9, 2005
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  10. BGN

    Plumbert Guest

    1. Set said friend up with a regular user account so he isn't always logged
    on as administrator. While this won't keep him completely safe, it will
    reduce the attack threshold somewhat -- if a virus/trojan/worm needs to
    write to HKLM or c:\windows\ or c:\program files\ it won't be able to.

    2. Teach (by which I mean threaten) said friend to use the
    non-administrative account for everything except installing applications or
    running badly-behaved pieces of software that require administrative
    privilege.

    For lots of cool info about running windows as a non-admin, check out
    http://blogs.msdn.com/aaron_margosis/archive/2005/04/18/TableOfContents.aspx.

    Hope this helps.
     
    Plumbert, Dec 9, 2005
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  11. BGN

    John Guest


    Well now, my understanding is that all of these things do any number of
    about 10 things. For instance, some Viruses use the outlook address book, so
    if an application other than outlook tries to use the address book, it stops
    it and checks to see if it's OK. Also a number of viruses try running or
    changing different apps. These are trapped. Running an application from the
    temp file is another issue that can be stopped.

    I'm probably not explaining things too well, but the web site explains them
    well. There is another product, which used to be from worldwide security,
    but is now part of Symantec. There is no free home version of this though -
    I have it running and it's good as well.

    Remember these things don't remove the need for good antivirus packages.

    J.
     
    John, Dec 10, 2005
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  12. BGN

    BGN Guest

    What happens if outlook is hijacked and is told to give over the
    contents of its address book?

    I take it that this application will never need any updates ever.
     
    BGN, Dec 10, 2005
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  13. BGN

    Catman Guest

    Access to the Outlook address book is controlled anyway, and has been for
    some time.
    Wouldn't bet on it. The site seems somewhat vague.
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    Catman, Dec 10, 2005
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  14. BGN

    Catman Guest

    Not sure about that, old chap. I'm no prgrammer, but it seems rather vague.
    The only thing it actually details is being able to stop buffer overrun
    exploits, which seems a little unlikley, IMHHHO. ISTBC of course.

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    Catman, Dec 10, 2005
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  15. BGN

    Lanky Guest


    Any software that hijacks an AUTHORISED outbound app (like IE) will be
    able to bypass ZoneAlarm.

    If you're worried go over here:
    http://www.grc.com/lt/leaktest.htm

    and test your firewall today.

    Lanky
     
    Lanky, Dec 10, 2005
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  16. BGN

    BGN Guest

    That's the one I wanted. I couldn't remember the name.
     
    BGN, Dec 10, 2005
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  17. BGN

    Tim Guest

    Glad to be of service.
     
    Tim, Dec 10, 2005
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