Paging the German speakers...

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by stephen.packer, Oct 16, 2009.

  1. So... after the little summer excitement I came home to a letter from
    Switzerland. Registered delivery...

    Unfortunately it's in German and my poor German is not good enough to
    understand. So I've retyped it below; and have ignored the umlauts.

    If anyone can tell me if I can safely ignore this I'd be happy.

    It's headed "request for notification" (that much I can work out...)

    The rest reads:

    "wir teilen Ihnen mit, dass die Akten der SVG-Ubertretung vom
    31.08.2009, in Sachen Missachten des signalisierten uberholverbots und
    uberholen auf einer Einspurstrecke, beim Kreisamt Ramosch eingegangen
    sind.

    Im Betracht fallende Ubertretungstatbestande
    Art 27 Abs.1 SVG und Art. 13 Abs. 3 VRV i.V.m Art 90 Ziff. 1 SVG

    Sie erhalten hiermit Gelegenheit, sich zu dieser Anzeige innert 10 Tagen
    schriftlich vernehmen zu lassen. Geht innert Frist keine Vernehmlassung
    ein, wird auf Grund der Akten entschieden."

    I *think* what this says is it's coming to court in 10 days and I have
    the opportunity to add further comments/defence. If I don't then it
    will be judged based on existing paperwork. Of course since it was sent
    on the 23rd of September it's all a bit of a moot point.
     
    stephen.packer, Oct 16, 2009
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  2. stephen.packer

    Andy Bonwick Guest

    What they're saying is that they've spoken to their friends in France
    and Germany and it appears that you're something of a serial offender.

    They're going to bang you up for 20 years minimum.
     
    Andy Bonwick, Oct 16, 2009
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  3. Er... yes done that with a couple of engines but it's still not
    completely clear what it actually means. I did a couple of machine
    translations but they didn't seem to give clarity at the end on *what*
    happens if no notification is received.
     
    stephen.packer, Oct 16, 2009
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  4. stephen.packer

    Timo Geusch Guest

    That's not German, that is Swiss Bureaucrese.

    Basically, they've caught you overtaking somewhere where it was
    forbidden to do so and are offering you to comment on this in
    writing. If you don't respond they'll make the decision based on their
    records, which will probably mean a nice demand for cash.

    Did you actually get pulled for overtaking where you shouldn't and
    whereabouts was that if you remember (if it was anywhere near Ramosch I
    should know the road as my mum lives in that area).

    But basically, I'd take a different vehicle to Switzerland the next
    time.
     
    Timo Geusch, Oct 16, 2009
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  5. stephen.packer

    sweller Guest

    "Do you want to be the Mummy or the Daddy?"

    "Come here and suck Mummy's cock"
     
    sweller, Oct 16, 2009
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  6. ****'em. Last time I looked, Germany was not Britain.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 16, 2009
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  7. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique,
    typed
    "You are to board the second carriage on the train. You will be able to
    take a shower at your destination."
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Oct 16, 2009
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    This is similar to how they dealt with a guy I work with who was
    caught speeding over there in that he had the obligatory 400 Euro on
    the spot hit and then they did him again a few weeks later for another
    wedge.

    He ignored a couple of letters demanding money and paid in the end
    when it was pointed out to him that he goes skiing there every year
    and even the smallest traffic offence would see him banged up when
    they realised he already owed them for unpaid fines.

    They're cunts but you have to decide if you ever want to go there
    again and pay if you think you'll be returning. I'd wait and see how
    much they demanded and then make a decision based on whether I thought
    either work or holidays would take me back. I don't think I'd be
    popular if a different A.Bonwick was arrested when visiting on
    business...
     
    Andy Bonwick, Oct 16, 2009
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  9. A mere detail.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Oct 16, 2009
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  10. Thanks.

    Thing is that they caught me (for overtaking where I shouldn't) and
    fined me 600CHF on the spot. Which I paid. They said it would come to
    court in four or so weeks. Eight weeks or so ago. Pulled us (there were
    three other miscreants) at the border.

    Given that it's taken over three weeks to arrive I guess it's all too
    late. Thing is they copied my registration, license and also passport.
    On occassion I need to go to Switzerland so I would hope there isn't
    another demand for cash on top of the 600CHF they've already had (and,
    yes, I've still got the receipt).
     
    stephen.packer, Oct 16, 2009
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    muddy cat Guest

    Is Switzerland the country that bases your fine on income?
     
    muddy cat, Oct 16, 2009
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    eamo Guest

    is the key bit of info. As said ^^ up there, if you ever intend to go
    back, computer will know. And it'll be at passport control on your way
    out too, when you may have plane to catch. or not.

    Typical teutonic thoroughness is not to be underestimated....
     
    eamo, Oct 17, 2009
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    muddy cat Guest

    muddy cat, Oct 17, 2009
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    JackH Guest

    Fook!

    Yes, I can see it was small change to someone on that much money, but
    even so, given the relatively trivial offence committed... :-O
     
    JackH, Oct 17, 2009
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    Tosspot Guest

    A few here have been caught by that, one even done a bit of porridge
    for the "**** that I ain't paying attitude", which, it has to be
    mentioned, he said was really quite a nice jail.
     
    Tosspot, Oct 17, 2009
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    It might be worth getting in touch with them pointing out that the
    letter took three weeks to arrive (which they can verify from the
    registered post bit unless the postie couldn't figure out what it
    was). If they are really feel strapped for cash there are ways to
    enforce debts cross border (basically they'll have to get another court
    order in the UK to allow them to collect the debt, but they can do that)
    and I'll bet that the not insubstantial cost of it will be dumped on
    you, too.
     
    Timo Geusch, Oct 17, 2009
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  17. Wow. Nearly as much as the Alpine Runners managed between them....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Oct 17, 2009
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    Champ Guest

    Yes.

    It's fair to say that Burnt and I had some slight memory problems when
    we filled in the forms.
     
    Champ, Oct 17, 2009
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  19. If you're unemployed, do they pay you?
     
    doetnietcomputeren, Oct 17, 2009
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  20. stephen.packer

    Ace Guest


    Yes, as Timo says, it's the opportunity to comment or request that you
    attend the court hearing - I had one earlier this year for 76kph in a
    50 limit - as it wasn't something that could simply be dealt with by a
    fixed penalty (in your case because you're foreign, in mine bacause it
    was more than 20 over the limit).

    You are not required to reply, nor to attend court, and the fine will
    be calculated the same whether you do or not. The only reason to do so
    would be if there were genuine mitigating circumstances, which don't
    normally include "foreign laws don't apply to me". I didn't bother,
    and was landed with about a 600chf fine and a warning that my licence
    could be revoked if I did it again, which is par for the course
    AFAICT.

    You'll get another letter in due course notifying you of the fine
    imposed and demanding settlement if it's more than you paid, or a
    credit note if it's the other way round, which is, I'd suggest,
    somewhat unlikely. Most likely they'll look at what you paid the cops
    and call it quits. If not, I do suggest that you pay the difference -
    the Swiss are tenacious bastards and every branch of their beaurocracy
    talks to every other one, so a simple passport check would flag it up
    and get you in serious hot water.

    Even if you don't ever intend to come back, they do have bilateral
    agreements with the UK, so may be able to chase it up via UK plod or
    bailiffs.
     
    Ace, Oct 17, 2009
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