Peter Batchelor - road safety genius.

There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
sense of security".


I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
situations.

 

I think the point is somewhat valid. I don't know how valid. I was the
sort of dickhead that was going to do it whether I had training or not,
but some people certainly are going to feel more confident about acting
like dickheads if they get trained in it

Charlie

 

I think the point is somewhat valid. I don't know how valid. I was the

Coming from someone who lost the ass end of a car in the wet just after I
got my P's (yay cheap re-treads!) and kinda ended up in someones front
yard....I'm all for it.

We need a system like Germany...but maybe not QUITE as expensive

: P

 

He is a genius.
That's why they don't train airline pilots before they let them steer a
747; the same reason I don't have another 5-6yrs before being handed a full
Emergency Medicine fellowship - training just doesn' work does it? What we
need are less experienced people without any training given free rein on
the roads.
S.

 

The latest Newspeak is 'Skills Kill'.

Yet if you ask a copper why they can apparently speed at will without dying
in vast numbers, they'll tell you it's their training...

Doug Cox.
Work to ride, Ride to work...

 

Idiots are gonna be idiots wether or not they have had training. Atlerast
with training they may have less chance of hurting themselves or others.
However sensible people with training are more likely to be safer and more
aware road users. When i get the cash together i will be doing a defensive
riding course of some kind... not because i am worried about my abilities,
but because i like to keep an open mind and no i know very little about
riding when compared to others. Atleast thats my 2 cents worth on this topic
anyway.

Josh - ZX9R

There's a push to fund P platers to do defensive driving courses but
Batchelor reckons putting drivers on skid pans etc "gives people a false
sense of security".


I agree. Much better for them to learn at no cost on roads in real crash
situations.

 

This is the anti-training mantra that we see all state governments and
police forces spew forth, speed cameras and higher fines are the solution to
everything in their view. This is easy to sell to the great unwashed and
brings in a massive income stream.

Boxer

 

Josh,

Forget the rider training, get some computer training fast.

Learn the location of the space bar, the Shift key and the spell check.

Boxer

 

Correct.
Dumbed-down drivers are more likely to buy the "it's for your own good"
SCAM.
And they'll more likely take view that taking the view from the TV with
those fabulously skilful and fast drivers doing stuff they couldn't
possibly imagine themselves being involved in.....and they'll be watching
the ads, with it, too.

More and more I wonder what planet these politicians are really from.
'cause it sure as hell ain't this one.
Maybe the scammers have been scammed????

 

Whats ironic is im doing an information technology degree...well...a double
with civil engineering... But i didnt know usenet was an english class from
highschool. Wether or not i spell correctly...(or care for that matter)...
you still basically understood what i said...

Josh - ZX9R

Josh,

Forget the rider training, get some computer training fast.

Learn the location of the space bar, the Shift key and the spell check.

Boxer

 

He's right you know. Look at 9/11, if those mad bad arabs had no training,
they could not have flown the planes into the world trade towers. A little
knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Stuart T
Problem is, Batchelor only has a liitle knowledge......

 

True - but one day when you least expect it, it's possible you'll be doing
some proggie work for me, and I'll cheerfully rip you a new arsehole
because of those missing simple skills.
Or worse, we'll cop another Westgate.

 

"those missing, simple skills. otherwise it sounds as tho you're
saying "those people missing basic skills" stead "your basic skills
that you are missing". or perhaps that's what you meant?

ba·sic ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bsk)
adj.
Of, relating to, or forming a base; fundamental: “Basic changes in
public opinion often occur because of shifts in concerns and
priorities” (Atlantic).
Of, being, or serving as a starting point or basis: a basic course in
Russian; a set of basic woodworking tools.
Chemistry.
Of or relating to a base.
Containing a base, especially in excess of acid.
Alkaline.
Geology. Containing little silica, as igneous rocks.

n.
An essential, fundamental element or entity: the basics of math.
Basic training.




sim·ple ( P ) Pronunciation Key (smpl)
adj. sim·pler, sim·plest
Having or composed of only one thing, element, or part. See Synonyms
at pure.
Not involved or complicated; easy: a simple task. See Synonyms at
easy.
Being without additions or modifications; mere: a simple “yes” or
“no.”
Having little or no ornamentation; not embellished or adorned: a
simple dress.
Not elaborate, elegant, or luxurious. See Synonyms at plain.
Unassuming or unpretentious; not affected.

Having or manifesting little sense or intelligence.
Uneducated; ignorant.
Unworldly or unsophisticated. See Synonyms at naive.
Not guileful or deceitful; sincere.
Humble or lowly in condition or rank: a simple woodcutter.
Ordinary or common: a simple head cold.

Being a fundamental or rudimentary element; basic.
Not important or significant; trivial.
Biology. Having no divisions or branches; not compound: a simple leaf;
a simple eye or lens.
Music. Being without figuration or elaboration: a simple tone.






- sanbar

(... and a pedant in a pear tree)

 

A 747 is quite capable of performing a loop...

Doug Cox.
Work to ride, Ride to work...

 

I think your spellchecker's set on 'English (New Zealand)'

Doug Cox.
Work to ride, Ride to work...

 

Maybe not, but I think your likening of "some skidpan experience" to
"aerobatics" is more flawed. I'll bet good money that 747 pilots _do_
get trained in out of the flight envelope situations and how to react
accordingly to retain proper control. True, they probably get to do
_all_ of that in a simulator...

Oh, and just like in cars, _some_ of the "experienced" pilots
occasionally _do_ "bend the rules"...

http://www.nasm.si.edu/events/pressroom/releases/082703.htm

(specifically, the sixth paragraph)

big (I'd have liked to see _that!_)

 

They do train many, many emergency situations though.

 

Typical P plater, blame the tyres.....

 

Funnily enough, a bunch of googling to find that link about the Dash80
barrel roll I just posted seems to indicate that a 747 _won't_ loop, due
mainly to catastophic overspeed conditions damaging the tailplane on the
last 1/4 of a loop. Some of the military versions have done immelman
turns, which is the first (uphill) half of a loop followed by a half
roll, but it seems the second half of a loop is beyond them...

big

 

But when im writing an engineering report... or a program... i goto the
lengths needed to do those things. This is usenet...

Josh - ZX9R

True - but one day when you least expect it, it's possible you'll be doing
some proggie work for me, and I'll cheerfully rip you a new arsehole
because of those missing simple skills.
Or worse, we'll cop another Westgate.