Petition.

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Scraggy, Jan 6, 2007.

  1. Scraggy

    Scraggy Guest

    Normally I wouldn't bother posting something like this, but. judging by the
    numbers signing up[1], it may have legs of a sort.

    http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

    Shirley even the blinkered twats in #10 & 11 can see that there is a bit of
    a groundswell?

    Anyway, I commend the petition to the house.

    [1] It's increase by nearly 10,000 since 0830.
     
    Scraggy, Jan 6, 2007
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    deadmail Guest

    Well, given the way they responded to the anti-war demonstrations I'm
    sure this petition will have them quaking in their boots.
     
    deadmail, Jan 6, 2007
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  3. If I was giving away the sort of info they want on that petition site, I
    think I'd prefer it to be https.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 6, 2007
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    Cab Guest

    And as the site is still in beta phase, it'd be so easy to have a bug
    lose all that data...
     
    Cab, Jan 6, 2007
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    Scraggy Guest

    It's OK, nothing like that can happen, I've got my tinfoil hat on...
     
    Scraggy, Jan 6, 2007
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    ogden Guest

    I looked, but won't be signing as I don't agree with the full statement.

    "The idea of tracking every vehicle at all times is sinister and wrong.
    Road pricing is already here with the high level of taxation on fuel.
    The more you travel - the more tax you pay.
    It will be an unfair tax on those who live apart from families and
    poorer people who will not be able to afford the high monthly costs.
    Please Mr Blair - forget about road pricing and concentrate on improving
    our roads to reduce congestion."

    The first paragraph I agree with. The second is nonsense. The third I
    actively disagree with - there's nothing as such wrong with the road
    network, it's the public transport system which needs work, and
    adjusting the attitudes of people (like my mrs) who are so utterly in
    love with the interiors of their cars that they wouldn't give public
    transport a thought even if it came with free blowjobs or cunnilingus
    ten minutes after boarding.

    Honestly, the idea that people with names like "Thomas Arthur Dutton"
    and "James Beresford-Ward" might be a bit anti-tax is hardly going to
    surprise Downing Street.
     
    ogden, Jan 6, 2007
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  7. take it youve never used the night service then


    At the end of the day if i have spent my hard earned cash on a car why
    the **** should i be expected to use a public transport system that is
    extremly expensive , often late running or canceled , dirty , full of
    people i wouldnt give the time of day to , a system so insecure that
    mugging of passengers is the norm on many routes and journey times up
    to 4 times that of travelling buy car , a system that expects the
    paying customer to stand around in the wind and rain , on cold
    platforms , or squahed into overcrowded carraiages, with staff that are
    as helpfull as a dose of clap who at the drop of a hat will go on
    strike and strand me miles away from home


    ill take the car or bike any day

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    Steve Robinson, Jan 6, 2007
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    ogden Guest

    Your wish is my command.
     
    ogden, Jan 6, 2007
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    raden Guest

    Already signed
     
    raden, Jan 6, 2007
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    Krusty Guest

    It should for the money it costs. I had to go to Old London Town on
    Friday - return ticket from Swindon to Green Park tube - 95 fucking
    quid! That's about 75p per minute ffs, or over twice what it would cost
    to do the same journey in my gas-guzzling 15mpg Corvette. In fact a car
    would have to do 7mpg to cost the same.

    I won't start on how shit the London tube is compared to the Rome metro
    as I'd probably be here all day, & I've got a tax return to do :-/

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    Krusty, Jan 7, 2007
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  11. Go on then - I can't wait to hear where in London you encountered Tube
    stations that were as utterly disgusting as those in Rome.
     
    Paul Corfield, Jan 7, 2007
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    Eiron Guest

    You seem to be assuming that petrol is the only incremental cost of
    making a car journey. You should include servicing and tyres as well,
    unless you do so few miles that it gets serviced once a year and the
    tyres get changed when the sidewalls start cracking.
     
    Eiron, Jan 7, 2007
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    Veggie Dave Guest

    I can only assume the Rome metro is one large toilet cum opium den?

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    Veggie Dave, Jan 7, 2007
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    Krusty Guest

    Look, I said I've got a tax return to do! Oh ok then - it can wait a
    few more minutes.

    Firstly, I didn't see one disgusting metro station in Rome. They were
    all clean, well signed (in Italian & English), with much wider
    stairways & corridors than in London. They also had piped music on the
    platforms, which was nice, & the ticket machines were a breeze to use,
    with the tickets themselves being amazingly cheap.

    We obviously didn't use all the stations, but we did use Termini,
    Repubblica, Spagna, Flaminio, Ottaviano & Colosseo, none of which
    seemed disgusting in any way.

    Secondly, it's the trains themselves that provide the biggest contrast.
    London tubes are *incredibly* noisy & bounce around like the track's
    covered in speedbumps. They also just /feel/ old, & the seats are too
    narrow.

    Rome tubes are much, much quieter, really smooth, & quite a bit wider
    so you can still walk down the aisle when it's full of standing people.
    The seats are also wider, & all the carriages we went in appeared to be
    brand new & 'modern' looking. Best of all, they've got highly amusing
    diagrams of various body parts trapped in the doors.

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    Krusty, Jan 7, 2007
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    Krusty Guest

    Try doing some sums & you'll see how ridiculous that statement is.

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    Krusty, Jan 7, 2007
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  16. You must have visited a different Rome to us then. The few trains we
    travelled on were noisy, old and full of graffiti - inside and out (I
    have some very nice multicoloured pictures!). Most of the stations
    (especially Anagnina on the way to the airport) sank of piss and had
    various vagrants and other unsavoury looking types hanging about.

    Give me London Underground any time.
     
    Steve Fitzgerald, Jan 8, 2007
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  17. I confess I didn't travel on it but that was largely because I was so
    put off by the dingy, filthy drug dens that masqueraded as station
    entrances. I could not believe that the Metro station at the central
    Rail terminal (Termini) was so utterly neglected. I was genuinely
    shocked that a capital city like Rome would permit such neglect -
    especially when you consider how much care is lavished on other public
    buildings.

    The Tube is considerably older than Rome's system and was a pioneer in
    terms of building such a railway. Pioneers often make mistakes that
    others learn from - the size of tube rolling stock / tunnels being a
    notable difference between LU and younger systems.

    While I accept I can be accused of being biased I would point out that
    the LU system has a considerable backlog of track and signalling works
    to catch up on to get it away from being bouncy and noisy.

    If I restrict my judgement solely to stations then I'm afraid London
    wins hands down in terms of cleanliness and general upkeep compared to
    the shit holes I saw in Rome.
     
    Paul Corfield, Jan 8, 2007
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