Pillion tips

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Yeebers, Apr 20, 2008.

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    Damien Guest

    I bet you can still picture it very vividly anyway, can't you Theo? ;-)
     
    Damien, Apr 22, 2008
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    atec77 Guest

    MM so you have a fake gold earing ?
     
    atec77, Apr 22, 2008
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  3. Dunno. We talked about it and she just knew what I was about to do and
    could anticipate it. But a couple of replies further down this thread
    mentioned thighs and I guess I didn't nickname her "rabbit" for
    nothing.

    But yeah, full throttle on a modified budgie without hanging on to me
    or the rails is quite impressive. I'd be scared shitless.
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 22, 2008
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    CrazyCam Guest

    Wot?

    No comments about Amazing Thighs (tm) or even strangling policemen?

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Apr 22, 2008
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    Yeebers Guest

    OK. Here's what I found, note that the pillion is a complete n00b and
    the rider a pillion-ing n00b. So there may be some n00by comments.

    Obviously second time worked a lot better. My pillion was a good boy
    both times we went out (first time for 10 minutes, next to Wauchope and
    back 2 days later).

    Getting on the bike was kinda weird, but sitting flat footed with the
    front brake on worked, whilst my passenger got on the back.
    Taking off gently worked reasonably well though even so. I'm 55kgish, my
    boy's 45ish.

    We had tap/signals for "****! stop!" and "hang on, we're off". Other
    than that, lean with me, look over my inside shoulder and don't put your
    feet down.

    I really found the extra weight on the back disconcerting, especially at
    low speeds, much more than I expected, the first few slow bits almost
    caught me off guard even with advice from here. It felt when I stopped
    at lights I had to keep the bike level (ie both feet rather than just
    left at lights) otherwise we may topple.

    Slowing was also hairy though it was pretty damned wet in Port over the
    couple of times we went out - you can lean on the back brake a little
    more but don't rely on it, front brake is still your bestest buddy. Even
    so the extra weight added a good deal to my stopping distance.

    Leaning into corners was as much a weird feeling to my pillion as it was
    to me at first, so I tried to lean as little as possible and keep the
    speed down a fair bit. This more or less happened anyway given the extra
    passenger and conditions tho :)

    If you're being held around the waist, you can easily tell if your
    pillion's hands start to move backwards and let off the throttle if
    they're unprepared.

    So all up it went well and the advice helped a lot. All good. Not sure I
    'like' taking a pillion but it seems I can do it.
     
    Yeebers, Apr 29, 2008
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  6. I think one either a/ you get more experience b/ your have a more
    experienced pillion on the back or c/both, you'll find getting on a
    bike with a pillion and just heading off into the distance is really
    good fun. Once you get a pillion who is good on that back, you'll
    hardly even notice they are there. You learn to compensate pretty
    quickly for the extra weight and don't notice after 10 minutes.

    Keep at it and have fun.
     
    Kevin Gleeson, Apr 29, 2008
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    John Dwyer Guest

    For given pressure on the brakes, stopping distance will vary directly with
    weight increase of the total bike, rider, pillion and gear. For assume that
    the machine, rider and gear weigh 330 kg. Adding 45 kg for a pillion will
    increase the total mass to 375 kg, a 14% increase. However, crash avoidance
    space consists of reaction distance plus stopping distance, and the 14%
    increase applies only to the stopping distance. The impact may not be that
    great, but must be allowed for.

    John Dwyer.
     
    John Dwyer, Apr 30, 2008
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    CrazyCam Guest

    John Dwyer wrote:

    OTOH, if one assumes that the braking pressure is applied up to the
    limit of tyre adhesion, the extra 14% mass should translate to an
    increase in tyre adhesion, allowing an increase in braking pressure.

    regards,
    CrazyCam
     
    CrazyCam, Apr 30, 2008
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    Yeebers Guest

    Lol, I was just gonna pay him out, all he posts about is 'stopping
    distance' it seems ..
     
    Yeebers, May 1, 2008
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