[QUOTE] Moike wrote: [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] <blank look> yeeeessss..... ?[/QUOTE] I seem to have a glimmer that I once saw a car with ATE brakes. Possibly the Aussie built Mercedes models. They set up a facility to assemble Mercs here in the late '50s, turning out the early 111 series. (For you non-numeric people, that's the model with the little fins on the rear corners). I have an ID plate in my shed from one of these, chassis number 00002. Theo