Pity...

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Diogenes, Oct 20, 2008.

  1. Diogenes

    PostmanPat Guest

    "Twipwet" would be cuter...

    Elmer Fudd
     
    PostmanPat, Oct 24, 2008
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  2. Diogenes

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Yeah; the manufacturers seem to think that the cruiser-market covers the
    untall so there's no need for low-seat sports, tourers or sport-tourers.
    It especially odd in that most motorcycles are manufactured in Japan and the
    Japanese aren't known for their long-leggedness.
    There's not really any reason for it either 'cause there's nothing
    especially important under the rider's seat ('cept for on some
    east-west-crank V engines).
     
    Knobdoodle, Oct 24, 2008
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  3. Diogenes

    JL Guest

    As a shortarse I have to (respectfully) say bullshit ! Seat height and
    accessibility for shortarses is not the same thing. When they put a
    seat that's so wide a woman in labour would feel like her legs are
    closer together than on it, then the absolute height from the ground
    isn't the primary factor. <insert severe look at Yammie XVS1700> The
    list of bikes suitable for shortarses includes a surprisingly short
    list of cruisers.

    Having said that. Lower a bike with brakes and handling fercrissakes,
    don't put up with a HD. Please ! It's a no win for anyone !

    Yeah they're not too bad, but actually not that brilliant for
    shorties. An SV650 and a VT750 have about the same reach (yeah
    seriously, ignore the seat height the actual reach to the ground is
    about the same). ZZR600 is lower than both...

    JL
    (well yeah of course I know shit I struggle to flat foot just about
    anything you care to name)
     
    JL, Oct 24, 2008
  4. Diogenes

    Knobdoodle Guest

    When we had the Striple on test a month ago (review up at
    [shamelessplug]http://www.dailybike.com/reviews/triumph/2008/2008-
    triumph-speed-triple.asp[/shamelessplug]), I consciously thought to
    myself "you know who'd like this... Clem. This is a Clem kind of bike.
    If I got one of these, I'd call it 'The Big Clembowski".
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Ha ha; as funny as I find you calling a bike "The Big Clembowski" I think
    I'd find it a virtually-unridable razor-sharp weapon after my diet of
    sub-100hp, over 220KG trundlies!
     
    Knobdoodle, Oct 24, 2008
  5. Diogenes

    JL Guest

    **** betty I'm happy to tell whoever you'd like, so tell me who the
    hell do you want me to arc up to - 'cos christ knows anyone who's met
    me knows there's no effort to get me to arc up.

    With the greatest respect, you're talking the biggest load of bollocks
    I've seen on here in a bloody long time. As a short arse who has no
    particular issue about it, I can assure you no one gives a flying
    ****, and quite frankly those of us with duck's disease can whinge and
    moan till the cows come home, it's not going to make the slightest bit
    of difference to the specs the bike mfgs set their bikes up against.
    The reality is the average height of people in western society is
    going up, not down. My boy (based on double your height at age 2) is
    probably going to be circa 6 ft - which in my generation would be tall
    - for his generation he's prob going to be short.

    5 ft bugger all like you and me is not just short, it's becoming
    increasingly unusual.

    Deal with it.
    Oh do **** off, this is becoming increasingly irritating.

    You're short, deal with your issues with it and stop trying to rope
    everyone else. Jezus.
    You're in the shortest one percent of the population, no one gives a
    flying **** whether you (or I) are comfortable, get over it.
    Oh Ferfucksakes.
    And exactly what would you like us to do ?

    Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha etc don't care, 'cos even in Japan, less than
    5'4 is outside of the 5% rule. In Europe its 1% - why on earth would
    any rational vendor give a shit ? Big deal you piss off 1% of your
    customers, ho hum.

    Go make friends with your local suspension specialist and stop
    whinging fercrisesakes
    Yes you are. Wake up woman.

    JL
    (not renowned for my patience)
     
    JL, Oct 24, 2008
  6. Diogenes

    Knobdoodle Guest

    I could safely say "what the **** are you gibbering about"?!!?
     
    Knobdoodle, Oct 24, 2008
  7. Diogenes

    JL Guest

     
    JL, Oct 24, 2008
  8. Diogenes

    JL Guest

    Average male height japan, 5'7

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

    Why would they care about those who measure 5'2 ?


    JL
    (marketing explains a lot, particularly when considered in light of
    the percentage of their target market are below the height they build
    their bikes to suit - ie about 5% tops)
     
    JL, Oct 24, 2008
  9. Diogenes

    Knobdoodle Guest

    [guffaw] The original text was:

    "Geez, Gerry petal, take off that troll hat! It's very different - and I
    know
    you are just being a troll here because a man of your intelligence can
    surely see the difference between "my bike's bigger than I'm comfortable
    with and I wish they'd make a smaller one with the same grunt so I could
    feel safer" and "I may be short but I ride a fucken bigger bike than any of
    you taller bastards!"

    You are a clear winner of the aus.moto prize for "creative quoting
    out-of-context"!
     
    Knobdoodle, Oct 24, 2008
  10. Diogenes

    Knobdoodle Guest

    Knobdoodle, Oct 24, 2008
  11. Diogenes

    Boxer Guest

    I have 4 bikes that are great for the shorter rider (OK one has a sidecar
    attached so who needs to touch the ground) but I find the shorter bike does
    not give me the leg room I require for longer trips, let alone reasonable
    fuel tank capacity. My R1200GSA is a seriously large motorbike but a great
    long distance tourer with excellent leg room and comfort, I can get one foot
    flat on the ground at a traffic light but only the tips of my toes of both
    feet. I find 35 litres to be just about right for the longer trip. I just
    got a 40 litre tank for one of the short bikes a R75/6 back from the
    painters last week so that may end up doing a few border runs.

    Boxer
     
    Boxer, Oct 24, 2008
  12. Diogenes

    jl Guest


    On top of the 3 bottles of red wine I've just finished ? Bad idea. <puts
    it in fridge> But thanks anyway.

    JL
     
    jl, Oct 24, 2008
  13. Diogenes

    bikerbetty Guest

    Gets cranky after a few, doesn't he? ;-)

    betty
     
    bikerbetty, Oct 24, 2008
  14. Diogenes

    bikerbetty Guest

    **** betty I'm happy to tell whoever you'd like, so tell me who the
    hell do you want me to arc up to - 'cos christ knows anyone who's met
    me knows there's no effort to get me to arc up.

    With the greatest respect, you're talking the biggest load of bollocks
    I've seen on here in a bloody long time. As a short arse who has no
    particular issue about it, I can assure you no one gives a flying
    ****, and quite frankly those of us with duck's disease can whinge and
    moan till the cows come home, it's not going to make the slightest bit
    of difference to the specs the bike mfgs set their bikes up against.

    Oh well, I shall stop living in cloud cuckoo land then.... Gee, I liked my
    little dream of one day having a perfect sized bike... of EVERYBODY having
    a perfect sized bike... of mobilizing the world and getting hordes of
    shortarses to stand up, shake their tiny fists and say (in little piping
    voices) "listen to us!"

    You burst my bubble, JL, you rotten bugger. :p

    betty
     
    bikerbetty, Oct 24, 2008
  15. In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:41:59 +1100
    I wonder how many have ridden one... there are people a foot taller
    than I am who ride one quite comfortably, it's a weird thing.

    Some of the Yanks have fitted a bigger screen for it admittedly.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Oct 24, 2008
  16. In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
    V750 classic with a cut down seat option? Or maybe bite the bullet
    and hunt down a V50. After all, they are *tiny*.

    Probably a few metric cruisers about that would be low too.

    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Oct 24, 2008
  17. In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:54:59 +1100
    I think part of the problem is ground clearance.

    Modern tyres are low profile and wide, so bikes go over a fair way.
    I suspect that part of the high seat is a design thing, they want a
    certain set of characteristics and can't make them in a lower bike.

    If you touch the pegs down on my little Ducati single then you've
    fallen off, but I don't think it can get the lean angles of a modern
    bike. (And the motor is physically smaller than pretty well anything
    modern too.)

    A Tonti framed Guzzi is a very low bike. The later model Californias
    stuffed that up with wide seats and bulbous sidecovers for the look
    but I have often pondered taking one and making a modern T series out
    of it.


    Zebee
     
    Zebee Johnstone, Oct 24, 2008
  18. Diogenes

    GB Guest

    I suspect so, yes.

    That depends entirely on how far into the realm of 'creative
    accounting' one chooses to venture! :)


    They've maintained a 'staff' page for Bruti-Liberati here:

    <http://www.business.uts.edu.au/finance/staff/nicola.html>

    If you click on the 'Nicola's Publications' button at the bottom of
    that you'll be taken to a remarkably long list of publications. Towards
    the bottom of the list there are a number of papers that you can
    "View/Download".

    It's pretty much double Dutch to me, but I see "jump diffusion",
    "stochastic differential" and "monte carlo simulation" popping up
    again and again. I have a guy who comes to speak to my classes about
    managing IT in a large investment bank and he mentions securities -
    and in particular currencies trading - that takes place automatically.
    They have a bunch of computers that sit in a dark room somewhere and
    trade on markets of their own accord. I wonder if the stuff that my
    guy talks about is where the 'stochastic differential' equations
    are used, to predict where prices *should* be to inform an automated
    trading decision...

    That said, I'm so far out of my league at this point that you
    may as well ask the man in the moon! :)


    GB
     
    GB, Oct 24, 2008
  19. Diogenes

    GB Guest

    Actually, this may throw some light (and looks like my prior prediction
    was probably on the right track)...

    "In many applied sciences the dynamics of key quantities can be
    described by stochastic differential equations (SDEs). In finance, for
    instance, the evolution of security prices underlying derivative
    contracts is described by SDEs. To price a derivative security it is
    necessary to estimate the expectation of a function, the payoff, of
    the solution of the underlying SDE at a given maturity date. A
    widespread method and the only feasible one when the underlying
    securities follow a high dimensional SDE. is the Monte Carlo method.
    As explained in (5). to price an option via Monte Carlo simulation one
    uses a weak approximation of the underlying SDE. Here only an
    approximation of the probability distribution is needed, while a
    pathwise strong approximation is relevant for other problems, such as
    scenario simulation or filtering. " [1]


    Like I said, double Dutch, but strangely interesting.


    GB


    [1] Bruti-Liberati, N., Martini, S., Piccardi, P., and Platen, E., "A
    Hardware Generator of Multi-point Distributed Random Numbers for
    Monte Carlo Simulation", Research Paper Series, 156, Quantitative
    Finance Research Centre, University of Technology, Sydney, April 2005.
     
    GB, Oct 24, 2008
  20. Diogenes

    GB Guest

    Nah. What urbandictionary, wikipedia and other sites say
    *is* what it means, but it doesn't mean what Yeebok said it
    means!


    GB
     
    GB, Oct 24, 2008
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