Pity...

"Twipwet" would be cuter...

Elmer Fudd

 

Yeah; the manufacturers seem to think that the cruiser-market covers the
untall so there's no need for low-seat sports, tourers or sport-tourers.
It especially odd in that most motorcycles are manufactured in Japan and the
Japanese aren't known for their long-leggedness.
There's not really any reason for it either 'cause there's nothing
especially important under the rider's seat ('cept for on some
east-west-crank V engines).

 

As a shortarse I have to (respectfully) say bullshit ! Seat height and
accessibility for shortarses is not the same thing. When they put a
seat that's so wide a woman in labour would feel like her legs are
closer together than on it, then the absolute height from the ground
isn't the primary factor. <insert severe look at Yammie XVS1700> The
list of bikes suitable for shortarses includes a surprisingly short
list of cruisers.

Having said that. Lower a bike with brakes and handling fercrissakes,
don't put up with a HD. Please ! It's a no win for anyone !

Yeah they're not too bad, but actually not that brilliant for
shorties. An SV650 and a VT750 have about the same reach (yeah
seriously, ignore the seat height the actual reach to the ground is
about the same). ZZR600 is lower than both...

JL
(well yeah of course I know shit I struggle to flat foot just about
anything you care to name)

 

When we had the Striple on test a month ago (review up at
[shamelessplug]http://www.dailybike.com/reviews/triumph/2008/2008-
triumph-speed-triple.asp[/shamelessplug]), I consciously thought to
myself "you know who'd like this... Clem. This is a Clem kind of bike.
If I got one of these, I'd call it 'The Big Clembowski".
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ha ha; as funny as I find you calling a bike "The Big Clembowski" I think
I'd find it a virtually-unridable razor-sharp weapon after my diet of
sub-100hp, over 220KG trundlies!

 

**** betty I'm happy to tell whoever you'd like, so tell me who the
hell do you want me to arc up to - 'cos christ knows anyone who's met
me knows there's no effort to get me to arc up.

With the greatest respect, you're talking the biggest load of bollocks
I've seen on here in a bloody long time. As a short arse who has no
particular issue about it, I can assure you no one gives a flying
****, and quite frankly those of us with duck's disease can whinge and
moan till the cows come home, it's not going to make the slightest bit
of difference to the specs the bike mfgs set their bikes up against.
The reality is the average height of people in western society is
going up, not down. My boy (based on double your height at age 2) is
probably going to be circa 6 ft - which in my generation would be tall
- for his generation he's prob going to be short.

5 ft bugger all like you and me is not just short, it's becoming
increasingly unusual.

Deal with it.

Oh do **** off, this is becoming increasingly irritating.

You're short, deal with your issues with it and stop trying to rope
everyone else. Jezus.

You're in the shortest one percent of the population, no one gives a
flying **** whether you (or I) are comfortable, get over it.

Oh Ferfucksakes.

And exactly what would you like us to do ?

Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha etc don't care, 'cos even in Japan, less than
5'4 is outside of the 5% rule. In Europe its 1% - why on earth would
any rational vendor give a shit ? Big deal you piss off 1% of your
customers, ho hum.

Go make friends with your local suspension specialist and stop
whinging fercrisesakes

Yes you are. Wake up woman.

JL
(not renowned for my patience)

 

I could safely say "what the **** are you gibbering about"?!!?

 

Average male height japan, 5'7

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

Why would they care about those who measure 5'2 ?


JL
(marketing explains a lot, particularly when considered in light of
the percentage of their target market are below the height they build
their bikes to suit - ie about 5% tops)

 

[guffaw] The original text was:

"Geez, Gerry petal, take off that troll hat! It's very different - and I
know
you are just being a troll here because a man of your intelligence can
surely see the difference between "my bike's bigger than I'm comfortable
with and I wish they'd make a smaller one with the same grunt so I could
feel safer" and "I may be short but I ride a fucken bigger bike than any of
you taller bastards!"

You are a clear winner of the aus.moto prize for "creative quoting
out-of-context"!

 

Erk; totally unusabe for EITHER!

 

I have 4 bikes that are great for the shorter rider (OK one has a sidecar
attached so who needs to touch the ground) but I find the shorter bike does
not give me the leg room I require for longer trips, let alone reasonable
fuel tank capacity. My R1200GSA is a seriously large motorbike but a great
long distance tourer with excellent leg room and comfort, I can get one foot
flat on the ground at a traffic light but only the tips of my toes of both
feet. I find 35 litres to be just about right for the longer trip. I just
got a 40 litre tank for one of the short bikes a R75/6 back from the
painters last week so that may end up doing a few border runs.

Boxer

 

On top of the 3 bottles of red wine I've just finished ? Bad idea. <puts
it in fridge> But thanks anyway.

JL

 

Gets cranky after a few, doesn't he? ;-)

betty

 

**** betty I'm happy to tell whoever you'd like, so tell me who the
hell do you want me to arc up to - 'cos christ knows anyone who's met
me knows there's no effort to get me to arc up.

With the greatest respect, you're talking the biggest load of bollocks
I've seen on here in a bloody long time. As a short arse who has no
particular issue about it, I can assure you no one gives a flying
****, and quite frankly those of us with duck's disease can whinge and
moan till the cows come home, it's not going to make the slightest bit
of difference to the specs the bike mfgs set their bikes up against.

Oh well, I shall stop living in cloud cuckoo land then.... Gee, I liked my
little dream of one day having a perfect sized bike... of EVERYBODY having
a perfect sized bike... of mobilizing the world and getting hordes of
shortarses to stand up, shake their tiny fists and say (in little piping
voices) "listen to us!"

You burst my bubble, JL, you rotten bugger.

betty

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:41:59 +1100

I wonder how many have ridden one... there are people a foot taller
than I am who ride one quite comfortably, it's a weird thing.

Some of the Yanks have fitted a bigger screen for it admittedly.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:04:30 -0700 (PDT)

V750 classic with a cut down seat option? Or maybe bite the bullet
and hunt down a V50. After all, they are *tiny*.

Probably a few metric cruisers about that would be low too.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:54:59 +1100

I think part of the problem is ground clearance.

Modern tyres are low profile and wide, so bikes go over a fair way.
I suspect that part of the high seat is a design thing, they want a
certain set of characteristics and can't make them in a lower bike.

If you touch the pegs down on my little Ducati single then you've
fallen off, but I don't think it can get the lean angles of a modern
bike. (And the motor is physically smaller than pretty well anything
modern too.)

A Tonti framed Guzzi is a very low bike. The later model Californias
stuffed that up with wide seats and bulbous sidecovers for the look
but I have often pondered taking one and making a modern T series out
of it.


Zebee

 

I suspect so, yes.

That depends entirely on how far into the realm of 'creative
accounting' one chooses to venture!


They've maintained a 'staff' page for Bruti-Liberati here:

<http://www.business.uts.edu.au/finance/staff/nicola.html>

If you click on the 'Nicola's Publications' button at the bottom of
that you'll be taken to a remarkably long list of publications. Towards
the bottom of the list there are a number of papers that you can
"View/Download".

It's pretty much double Dutch to me, but I see "jump diffusion",
"stochastic differential" and "monte carlo simulation" popping up
again and again. I have a guy who comes to speak to my classes about
managing IT in a large investment bank and he mentions securities -
and in particular currencies trading - that takes place automatically.
They have a bunch of computers that sit in a dark room somewhere and
trade on markets of their own accord. I wonder if the stuff that my
guy talks about is where the 'stochastic differential' equations
are used, to predict where prices *should* be to inform an automated
trading decision...

That said, I'm so far out of my league at this point that you
may as well ask the man in the moon!


GB

 

Actually, this may throw some light (and looks like my prior prediction
was probably on the right track)...

"In many applied sciences the dynamics of key quantities can be
described by stochastic differential equations (SDEs). In finance, for
instance, the evolution of security prices underlying derivative
contracts is described by SDEs. To price a derivative security it is
necessary to estimate the expectation of a function, the payoff, of
the solution of the underlying SDE at a given maturity date. A
widespread method and the only feasible one when the underlying
securities follow a high dimensional SDE. is the Monte Carlo method.
As explained in (5). to price an option via Monte Carlo simulation one
uses a weak approximation of the underlying SDE. Here only an
approximation of the probability distribution is needed, while a
pathwise strong approximation is relevant for other problems, such as
scenario simulation or filtering. " [1]


Like I said, double Dutch, but strangely interesting.


GB


[1] Bruti-Liberati, N., Martini, S., Piccardi, P., and Platen, E., "A
Hardware Generator of Multi-point Distributed Random Numbers for
Monte Carlo Simulation", Research Paper Series, 156, Quantitative
Finance Research Centre, University of Technology, Sydney, April 2005.

 

Nah. What urbandictionary, wikipedia and other sites say
*is* what it means, but it doesn't mean what Yeebok said it
means!


GB