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I disagree fundamentally with this. Treat anyone as a human and you get
the best out of them. Been obstinate and lie and you'll end up getting
away with it (when they don't have evidence) but you'll get a producer,
if they've got evidence you'll get a ticket.

Of course I'd probably have weasel worded it "I guess I wasn't paying
attention to my speed etc." and of course... laying myself open to due
care and attention...

 

So, in this situation, do you believe that pleading guilty to the
crime would get you off?

 

I treat my local police force as idiots and it does me fine.

 

They couldn't have got me for that I think, as there was literally no-
one about bar me and the copper. It should also be noted that he
wasn't wearing his cap when he approached and started talking to me,
and a chap at work told me many people have got off charges due to the
officer chappie not being in full uniform. I'm not sure how true this
is...

 

So? It doesn't have to be dangerous.

On a scale of one to ten, about zero, I reckon.

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Your local police force are undoubtedly a bunch of total incompetents
labouring under the delusion that they have a clue. About par for the
course in UK I suppose.

 

Not quite. It goes something along the lines of, "if they are not
properly dressed you have every right to believe they are an impostor
and ignore them."

 

Never heard of Vascar?

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wrote in 4ax.com:

Do you believe that you'll get away if they've got evidence you were
speeding?

If not, then it makes more sense to be obstinate (as you put it); otherwise
all you're achieving is giving them a straight admission you're breaking
the law.

 

Yes. It's called "passing the attitude test".

It's worked for me several times.

Come back when you've grown up and have some experience of life.

 

Pleading guilty, no. Stating "I wasn't speeding" isn't the way to go;
it's confrontational and polarises the discussion into "yes you were",
"no I wasn't".

I've been pulled over doing (almost) 70 in a 40 zone (admittedly several
years ago) and talked my way out of that one. I've been pulled over on
a motorway doing around an indicated 90 and didn't get ticketed;
admittedly in both cases they probably didn't have an accurate speed to
accuse me of but I was clearly exceeding the speed limit.

If you are clearly speeding and they state "going a bit fast" or similar
then IME the easiest way to do it is to *admit* you *may* have been
exceeding the speed limit without being specific about by how much.
Having a reasonable discussion with the focus on being polite and
pleasant rather than obstructive is less likely to see you walking away
with a producer, having your vehicle looked over etc.etc.etc

 

I think so, but he was a lying git.

He didn't help get platy out of a speeding ticket on the way to some do
or other; waving cans of stella out of the back window of the car
towards the plain clothes car pulling you over *probably* doesn't help
the driver's chances of escaping much...

 

Oh, fair enough. Must admit I was a little surprised by my
interpretation of your reaction.

I suppose I'd not say "yes I was doing 40", I would, however, say "I may
have been a little more focussed on the road than my speedo" or similar
though.

 

(Borked computer = sporadic access at the mo)

Completely untrue these days.

Many decades ago it was indeed true for those offences which had a specific
"an officer in uniform" phrase written in. However, case law now states
that for such offences, then the fact that the officer was not wearing
headwear of some description does not mean that s/he was out of uniform.

Oh, and in answer to your original query, no, records are not generally
kept for this kind of encounter.

As for speed offences, the only thing an occifer of the law has to prove is
that you were travelling in excess of the posted speed limit. No need to
supply a definitive figure as to your actual speed. Actually the
evidence will, more often than not, show the range of speeds noted.

Speedos of yer common or garden plodmobile can be checked after the fact,
usually by having the thing drive at a speed gun, or be followed by a
Ratmobile with on board Pilot/Provida fitted (The video kit with all the
fancy speed stuff overlaid).

As for the "admit it or not at the time" query, well, I'd always say it's
entirely a matter for you. However a small point to be considered is that
I, for one, will never enter into an argument/discussion/yes you were-no I
wasn't style thing on the street. Very undignified. If you really want to
argue it rather than take the on street bollocking, then I'd rather do so
in a court. And I'm generally alone without a video camera to back me
up, being as I spend about 90% of my time on bikes. I will admit that
someone speaking to me like a human being will generally fare better in the
bollocking to ticket ratio. What can I say, I'm a human... who hasn't
lost a speed thing in court in many years. (and I tend not to use a speed
gun. It's all done by what's shown on my speedo vs the other vehicle). To
be frank, whatever is or isn't "admitted" by the driver makes little or no
difference. The evidence will just come from what I say the speedo was
reading at the time.

General rule of thumb. Piss taking in 30mph areas (35 plus)will get you
ticketed. (Especially during normal human hours, outside schools, by the
home for one legged blind nuns doing a charidee unicycle ride whilst saving
the lives of the orphans and so on)

In a 40, keeping below 50 should see you ok (But beware in London. TfL are
gradually getting the threshold speed for Gatso cameras lowered to the ACPO
46mph trigger). NSL, just don't bloody well overtake the Ratmobile too
quickly, and do pay attention, Bond, to a distance far, far away where the
oddly parked white van is on the bridge/slip/layby. Lift your vision,
laydeez and gents.

FWIW, I hate Gatso etc with a passion. So do most Traffpol I know. Don't
sodding tell you if the driver is pissed/in a nicked
motor/uninsured/driving like a wanker generally etc etc. All they seem to
do is catch out the properly registered Mr and Mrs Normal who've had a
moment's inattention.

Let the flambé begin! (I can't guarantee replies, can only get occasional
access via a mate's machine 'till the new one is delivered)

 

Amen to that. The amount of bad driving seems to be going up consistenly,
at least in London...

 

Champ says...

I'm with you 100% there.

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No. It requires that an officer hides behind a tree and clicks something
as you pass two lamposts or trees. That's how I got done. It's a farce
as he can click the bloody thing whenever he wants to. There is no evidence.

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i wonder what the percentage of drivers in south london who are insured and
holding a valid licence actually is?

 

Probably about the same as here in southern Spain. I know a bloke who
has been driving for 30 years and just took his test. The Guardia Civil
have started getting a bit picky, doncha know.

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I got pulled in Oxford a couple of weeks back,trafpol were watching
passing vehicles and local plod were ushering them into a side street
for ticketing.

I got pulled over as my tax disc expired last July. Whilst the plod
who stopped me was doing the usual "is this your vehicle sir" bit I was
extracting my wallet from my pocket, and produced the valid disc.

Chap was as nice as pie, said he understood whyb I hadn't displayed it,
and that it gave him no problem whatsoever that it was on me rather
than the bike. He asked me a few questions about the bike and then
wished me a safe journey. I said "wot, no prducer", he laughed and
said not necessary, but he could do me one if I really wanted.

Waved me off with a smile.

Basically, I completely understood why I got pulled over, and found
their attitude generally very pleasant and reasonable [1].

[1] Unlike the chav-ette in the Saxo in front of me, who was in the
throes of being arrested for something.

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