Politics Junkies

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Champ, Nov 4, 2008.

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    wessie Guest

    Mostly. He couldn't resist a bit of misrepresentation when referencing
    Palin's contribution...
     
    wessie, Nov 5, 2008
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    prawn Guest

    Ah. That's the mystery of Sarah Palin explained, then.
     
    prawn, Nov 5, 2008
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    If nothing else comes of it, we probably won't have to back the
    merkins up in their World Domination game for a few years.

    Has Bush got any sons involved in politics?
     
    Andy Bonwick, Nov 5, 2008
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    des Guest

    des, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    I think he and a lot of core republicans lost the taste for Presidency a
    couple of weeks (at least) ago. Given the dwindling state of the economy
    etc. it could have been a poison chalice for another Republican
    administration. The Democrats have it now, and they have a level of
    national debt and dwindling tax revenues which make their grandiose social
    spending plans unachievable.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    deadmail Guest

    With all due respect you don't half spout a lot of shite. If McCain had
    lost taste for victory he would not have still been campaigning on
    election day.

    Interestingly I think you'll find the Democrats tend to run a better set
    of books than the Republicans. Republicans tend to give up tax revenues
    yet still spend heavily on the military etc. etc.
     
    deadmail, Nov 5, 2008
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    des Guest

    Ah, someone who understands at least a little of what's going on.

    D.
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    des, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    I'm hardly alone in thinking McCain looked increasingly lacklustre as the
    last few weeks closed. It could be his age of course. Nor am I wrong that
    a lot of core Republicans started to tear up the ticket around the same
    time.
    Republicans believe that lower taxes create a better economy which generates
    more tax revenue (true). And that those who generate wealth should do not
    have a responsibility for those who fail to do so. But this last Republican
    administration has spent profligately and this administration inherits a
    record national debt to be serviced at a time when tax revenues are
    crashing. But as for the outer fringes of Democratic social plans, I expect
    they will learn the same lesson as those in the Harvard Law Review, Mr Obama
    is no left winger as we would recognise it over here.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    I see the Dems have a senate and (massive) house majority too.

    That's what I call a mandate for change.
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    People said the same when Blair came to power. What a success it was.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    Cab Guest

    He's got the whole bloody family in politics. Jeb is one that stands
    out, IYSWIM.
     
    Cab, Nov 5, 2008
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    Cab Guest

    I think so too. Normally there isn't too much difference between the
    politics and the merkin parties. This time I think there will be.
     
    Cab, Nov 5, 2008
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    CT Guest

    It has?

    I know I'm a cynic esp. wrt politcs, will anything *really* change?
     
    CT, Nov 5, 2008
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    CT Guest

    heh.

    I guess that's the crux of it. The people that think that "the world
    is just a little bit better" can only really mean that "they *hope* the
    world will be little bit better".

    Me? I think it'll pretty much be the same. Sure, there'll probably be
    a slightly different slant on things, but looking at the bigger
    picture, same old, same old.
     
    CT, Nov 5, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    Not just the Senate. Congress was a landslide.
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    I don't mean Trickle Down at all. Simply that a low tax free market
    economy grows and generates wealth and therefor tax sustainable
    revenues. All economies do need sone regulation however, oversight if
    you like, the lack of which has dropped us right in the shit.
    I'm liking him generally. The anarchist in me wanted to see Palin
    upsetting folk but Obama will have done plenty of that too. Hope his
    Security is good.
    Very intelligent man, no doubt
    Don't really understand that part of American administration
    We have a "mixed office" here today ;o)
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    I think it is a big assumption to think the new Pres has the same agenda
    as the fringes of the Democrat party.

    He may be to Democrats what Blair was to Labour.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    Heh isn't Obama really white? and does he share any views with young
    urban blacks in London......
    I agree with you in part there. Failing to expedite the Iraq conflict
    effectively was the equivalent of the poll tax and miners strike to
    Thatcher, with added international dimensions.

    However I do think there are some regimes around, Iran and Venezuala for
    instance, who still need a good kicking.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    2 years? 18 months at best, more likely about 4 months.

    As soon as senators and congressmen start thinking about re-election,
    they potentially lose the will to capitalise on their strong position.
    He needs to come in hard and fast with his agenda, strong-arm it
    through the house, and then spend the following two years putting it
    into practice.
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    As Hog pointed out earlier, the parallels with Blair here can't really
    be ignored. Young, dynamic, legal background, agenda for change,
    significant majority. So much promise, time will tell whether it's
    squandered.
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2008
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