Politics Junkies

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Champ, Nov 4, 2008.

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    Hog Guest

    I think Obama will increase troop numbers and insist on a better more
    aggressive military campaign but with a view to getting out sooner
    IYSWIM. Certainly Africans, for which he must have an affinity, have no
    soft spot for the Arabs.
    I think, like Brown, they had the good luck to ride the waves of
    fortune. Hard times have come a callin'
    I'm in favour of someone my age over a pensioner at least. I think
    McCain fading at the end was probably partly to do with physical
    stamina.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    I'm sure there'll be enough Salinger-reading nutjobs to fill that role.
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    I don't personally think it will. I strongly suspect the change machine
    will gradually grind to a halt, as it always does, but there's a world
    of difference between Obama and Blair and the constitutional term limit
    on the presidency provides some degree of protection from long-term
    megamaniacal decline.

    Still, time will tell.
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    Well he has been back to his father's roots for a look around though he
    was raised by his mother.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    ogden Guest

    I thought he was raised by his grandparents, not his mother.
     
    ogden, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    Mother, grandparents and stepfather in measures, it seems.
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    CT Guest

    CBA.
     
    CT, Nov 5, 2008
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    CT Guest

    I'm not looking forward to him visiting his stepmother. The traffic
    will be chaotic round here.
     
    CT, Nov 5, 2008
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    Champ Guest

    Well, perception will, and that's half the game. To start with, it'll
    no longer be whitey doing it to the rest of the world.
     
    Champ, Nov 5, 2008
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    Champ Guest

    I think it was, actually.
     
    Champ, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    <spits out Danish>
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    M J Carley Guest

    Let's see: Obama has been funded by big business [1] (those famous
    small donations made online were not a very large proportion of his
    spending); nothing will change on Israel [2] (unless it gets worse);
    there will not be an immediate withdrawal from Iraq [3].
    Pessimism of the intellect; optimism of the will. Dream all you want,
    but if you want a decent world to live, you have to deal the world as
    it really is, not as you hope it is.

    [1] http://www.counterpunch.org/martens05052008.html

    Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors consisted of officers
    and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again
    with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or
    bundling fraudulently made mortgages. ...

    These seven Wall Street firms are (in order of money given): Goldman
    Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan
    Stanley and Credit Suisse. There is also a large hedge fund, Citadel
    Investment Group, which is a major source of fee income to Wall
    Street. There are five large corporate law firms that are also
    registered lobbyists; and one is a corporate law firm that is no
    longer a registered lobbyist but does legal work for Wall
    Street. The cumulative total of these 14 contributors through
    February 1, 2008, was $2,872,128, and we're still in the primary
    season.

    [2] http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1212041478725&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

    He staked out some hawkish positions, declaring that "Jerusalem will
    remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided," and
    termed Israel's attack in September on Syria's alleged incipient
    nuclear facility "entirely justified to end that threat."

    [3] http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

    Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of
    Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully
    ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and
    phased.
     
    M J Carley, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    what/ bringing industrialisation and civilisation?
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    Oh leave them alone to dream for a day or two
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    To the Trots it's still AmeriKKKa, the Great Satan ;o)
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    I think of your "no choice but" as "a brilliant excuse".
    I look forward to John Bolton being invited to reapply for his job.
    With the will to do something, there should be a lot that can be achieved
    relatively cheaply and easily. Just changing the mood would go a long way.
    I watched the acceptance speech, and couldn't help contrasting his
    performance with that of man's nearest living relative.
    Everything about McCain was about the past - what he'd done, where he'd come
    from. More of the same, no new ideas, same old gang of crooks. Obama is
    the future. As of last night - well, this morning - the Republicans looked
    obsolete and irrelevant.
     
    platypus, Nov 5, 2008
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    Hog Guest

    They may well be in the place Tories found themselves when Blair won
     
    Hog, Nov 5, 2008
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    I'd say half was a significant proportion.
     
    Colin Irvine, Nov 5, 2008
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    M J Carley Guest

    No: the thought of having that old fraud and his half-wit sidekick
    running the world is even worse. But not wanting McCain to win is not
    the same thing as believing that Obama is the Messiah. He is a
    politician who has made it to the White House by not making the wrong
    enemies. Nothing much is going to change if Obama can help it. If he
    is pushed hard enough, maybe some things will change for the better.
     
    M J Carley, Nov 5, 2008
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    M J Carley Guest

    Without that half, he would still have had a big advantage over
    McCain. That assumes, of course, that it really was half. There have
    been a number of people (we don't know how many) making multiple
    donations, each of less than $200, getting round the requirement to
    give a name:

    The Obama campaign has shattered all fund-raising records, raking in
    $458 million so far, with about half the bounty coming from donors
    who contribute $200 or less. Aides say that's an illustration of a
    truly democratic campaign. To critics, though, it can be an
    invitation for fraud and illegal foreign cash because donors giving
    individual sums of $200 or less don't have to be publicly
    reported. Consider the cases of Obama donors "Doodad Pro" of Nunda,
    N.Y., who gave $17,130, and "Good Will" of Austin, Texas, who gave
    more than $11,000--both in excess of the $2,300-per-person federal
    limit.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/162403
     
    M J Carley, Nov 5, 2008
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