Possibly a dumb question

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Zobo Kolonie, Jan 17, 2004.

  1. Zobo Kolonie

    Zobo Kolonie Guest

    I've been trawling through various bike reviews, trying to get a feel for
    what's out there these days.
    Over at the MCN site I wandered into their reviews of cruisers, not that I
    can see myself riding one, some people like them sure, but they're not
    really my scene.

    WTF, best to see what's what and all that.

    To my amazement I found the Yamaha VMax listed as a cruiser.

    What?

    Call me Mr Thicky (and perhaps I am being) but I never thought of the VMax
    as a cruiser... yet there it is listed right alongside a pair of Harleys.

    Damn... I fell in love with the VMax from the very first moment that I ever
    saw one. Even the fact that the rider binned it quite seriously about half a
    nano second later, also wiping out a pedestrian who steadfastly refused to
    show any signs of life immediately afterwards[1], even this didn't put me
    off... I looked, I saw, *grunt*, not only that but I saw *grunt* dressed up
    real sexy, and I thought "oooh, I'd like one of those".

    Yeah maybe they do handle like a pregnant cow but corners are for wusses, I
    was always more of a "straight lines only" kind of guy[3] :)

    So is that it? Did I condemn myself to cruiserland all those years ago never
    to return?

    Not that I can imagine myself hopping aboard a VMax any time soon that is.

    [1] Dunno if he was dead or not, but he certainly wasn't moving, he just lay
    there in the road doing bugger all[2]. The RTB didn't look too impressed
    though I can tell you!
    [2] I was on a bus at the time so couldn't stop for a goodly gawp.
    [3] As my previous experiences with roundabouts no doubt proves :)
     
    Zobo Kolonie, Jan 17, 2004
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  2. Correct - it's the biggest brother in the XV range. Think of it as a
    super Virago.
    Okay Mr Thicky
    Please don't perpetuate this myth.
    1) cruisers /can/ handle
    2) Vmax's /can/ handle

    It's all about perception y'see. Compare a Vmax to a gixxer thou and of
    course it doesn't handle as well in corners. But then that would be like
    comparing a supercharged Cadillac with a Ferrari wouldn't it.

    Decent tyres on cruisers, and knowing /how/ [1] to ride a cruiser are
    the only things needed to make them handle in such a manner to extract
    serious grinnage.
    It's not a one way street. You can have both.
    Was that just to avoid all the "they're gay as ****" comments? :)

    FWIW I like the maxes, a full power black max would be a very welcome
    gift. I think however I will more likely be purchasing a B12 when the
    opportunity arrives.

    [1] in all seriousness, I'm convinced that cruisers are best ridden with
    a totally different style to sprot bikes, once you've got your head
    round the different riding style, you're sorted. Where's Owen when you
    need him? Still riding the VZ? Fancy a blat when I bring the VS down south?
     
    Doesnotcompute, Jan 17, 2004
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  3. Zobo Kolonie

    tallbloke Guest

    Indeed ;-)
     
    tallbloke, Jan 17, 2004
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    wessie Guest

    I've ridden a couple of cruisers and was surprised how well they go
    around corners once, as you say, you get the hang of it.

    The 2 bikes I've ridden have been the BMW R1200C [1] and Valkyrie [2]

    Both have engines with gobfuls of torque and can dap on a bit.

    Cornering is disconcerting to begin with. Once you learn to counter the
    massive understeer they will get around corners at decent speeds.

    I enjoyed riding both bikes but would not want to own either as I don't
    really like how they look.

    [1] courtesy bike
    [2] Honda test ride day
     
    wessie, Jan 17, 2004
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  5. wessie wrote
    A lot of what you kiddies call cruisers actually aren't, not really.

    They are based on the styling concept of the chopper but with modern
    chassis and steering bits and different bodywork. In general their
    steering set up will be the same as any commuter type bike. My ole
    VT500 was nowt more than a VT500E commuter with "custom" styling.
     
    steve auvache, Jan 17, 2004
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  6. Zobo Kolonie

    wessie Guest

    Hehe. I don't get called a kiddie very often.

    At 41 I'm about 20 years older than most groups I socialise with IRL. [1]

    [1] if a University can be described as RL
     
    wessie, Jan 17, 2004
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  7. Zobo Kolonie

    Mash Guest


    When I had one on loan during a service, I was horrified by how much I liked
    it. I'm starting to question my own religion.
     
    Mash, Jan 17, 2004
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  8. Zobo Kolonie

    wessie Guest

    Just visit a HD dealer. Speak to some of their customers. You will be
    cured. Maximum effect will be had if you go on one of the open days.
     
    wessie, Jan 17, 2004
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  9. Zobo Kolonie

    Zobo Kolonie Guest

    Well I'll be! There was me having always thought of them as sit up and beg
    road bikes wearing gangsta clothing and packing some serious heat :)
    Yeah, b-b-b-but, I can't stand Harleys, euwwwwwwww!
    Okey cokey, never ridden one, just read the press. What's wrong with making
    your own corner anyway though? ;-)
    Well I'd not have a Clue[tm] so best left alone for the forseeable future
    methinks.
    Not without the neighbours complaining about how much parking space I'm
    taking up I can't :)
    Sorry no, I didn't know they were perceived as being gay-as-****, and anyway
    my sexuality is a matter between myself and the Memsahib only.
    Naa, the reason for being wary of them is that I've not ridden a bike in
    over 10 years, though I'd like to get back into it and this time I will do
    the sensible thing and take my test.
    Now I was reading commentary here and there about the B12, cos it's a
    possible BikeOfChoice for me (mebbe a B6, insewerance depending), but I keep
    reading that it handles like a skittery piece of goo, or summat like that
    anyway, so what's the gen with 'em?

    TVM.
     
    Zobo Kolonie, Jan 17, 2004
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  10. Zobo Kolonie wrote:

    taking your test on a Vmax. Heh. now that conjures amusement.
    Originally I was set on a Vmax, but they are a tad ugly, and after very
    good experiences with Suzuki, personally I feel the B12 is a better
    choice. They're equal in grin factor by most accounts round here.

    Do a google for me B12 and Vmax plenty of previous threads...
     
    Doesnotcompute, Jan 17, 2004
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  11. But they can't wheelie.

    (Runs and hides)
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 17, 2004
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  12. Lol... that's why I'm going for the B12
     
    Doesnotcompute, Jan 17, 2004
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  13. Zobo Kolonie

    Lozzo Guest

    Rope said...
    I'd always thought the FZX750 was for markets other than USA. The
    Merkins got the FZX700 to get round import restrictions IIRC.
     
    Lozzo, Jan 17, 2004
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  14. Okay, so it's a VMX not an XV as my post wording would suggest - my
    contextual typo.


    by way of apology and maybe of interest to the OP, and yes, I know it's
    probably a ginge...

    http://www.yamaha-motor.co.jp/eng/papercraft/vmax/
     
    Doesnotcompute, Jan 17, 2004
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  15. Well, that and doing something about the crap suspension.
     
    pseudoplatypus, Jan 17, 2004
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  16. Not around here, sonny.
     
    pseudoplatypus, Jan 17, 2004
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  17. Zobo Kolonie

    tallbloke Guest

    IME the solution is to reduce some of the sprung and unsprung boltons.


    The best Harley model I've ridden is the Dynaglide convertible.
    No heavy chrome around the forks or fat front tyre [1]


    If you like running long distance then a fairing of some sort is
    preferred, but you can still trim some fat off most big iron.



    [1] consequently 1 inch more ground clearance than the other 1340's and
    a quicker front end steering capability. It had twin discs which worked
    properly too.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 18, 2004
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  18. Zobo Kolonie

    Lozzo Guest

    tallbloke said...
    Is that the one with the detachable hardtop and the 4.7 litre 125 bhp
    V8?
     
    Lozzo, Jan 18, 2004
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  19. The only things the Drifter has that weren't fitted as standard are a
    Snotoiler and a respectable mileage. However, the rear shock is on max
    preload but is still completely floppy, and the damping, as Champ noted a
    couple of years ago, doesn't exist.
     
    pseudoplatypus, Jan 18, 2004
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  20. Zobo Kolonie

    tallbloke Guest

    I was referring to boltons the factory bolted on. Like the enourmous
    front fender for example.
    Ah, well sir need the rear shock overhauling or replacing then.
     
    tallbloke, Jan 18, 2004
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