[QUOTE="CrazyCam"] The story I heard at the time of NSW discussing LAMS was that they worked out an unlimited capacity would allow learners to ride ST1100's which they seemed to think was a bad thing.[/QUOTE] Truly ? Blimey I wouldn't have expected that - I know they're heavy but I didn't think it was that bad !! Hmmm, if an ST passes then a Goldwing would pass too - hehe - anyone seen an L plate on a goldwing in the ACT yet ? JL