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Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by George W Frost, Nov 21, 2011.

  1. Okay, for all the bright sparks out there, or even those who are not so
    bright, I have a question on road rules for you.

    Coming up to an intersection, where two roads meet, one road goes East-West,
    the intersecting road, North-South.
    The East-West road, traverses straight, while the North-South road, is
    offset by about 5 metres, in other words, a dog leg crossing.
    Question is which vehicle has the right of way and why.
    Vehicle A, is travelling along the North-South road, in a Southerly
    direction
    Vehicle B, is travelling along the same road, but in a Northerly direction
    Vehicle A, intends to keep travelling North across the intersection, while
    vehicle B, intends to conduct a right hand turn, into the East West road.

    Which vehicle has the right of way, is it vehicle A, because of the
    intention of continuing along the same road, or is it vehicle B, who intends
    on turning right?

    The argument has been put forward, because of the perception that it being
    two "T" intersections and not a through road and the vehicle A continuing
    along the same road, should be in fact the vehicle giving way, while on the
    other hand, the argument here, is that even though there is a dog leg in the
    intersection, it is still the same road, therefore the vehicle B, should be
    the one giving way.

    Once this question has been answered, then I have another one later.
     
    George W Frost, Nov 21, 2011
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  2. How wide is the "offset" road? Is the five metres sufficient to actually turn it into two T-intersections? If there's even a slight overlap between the two sides, it'd be considered a single road.

    You'll have to excuse the crude drawing:
    http://yak.net.au/t1/fig1.jpg
    http://yak.net.au/t1/fig2.jpg

    I assume this is a hypothetical question, borne of a few beers between mates? Under normal circumstances, such intersections would be marked with appropriate signage to remove ambiguity.
     
    Bob Milutinovic, Nov 21, 2011
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  3. George W Frost

    F Murtz Guest


    Vehicle A is traveling south but intends to Keep traveling north ?
     
    F Murtz, Nov 22, 2011
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  4. The offset road is about 20 metres wide for both lanes

    More like figure 1


    No, it was a question raised because of what a copper said to one of the
    drivers


    No signage as to who should go first
     
    George W Frost, Nov 22, 2011
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  5. Smart-arse, you know what I meant
    FFSyndrome got me..
     
    George W Frost, Nov 22, 2011
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  6. The intersections of the North-South road do overlap
    as in the North bound lane, is about three metres overlapping with the South
    bound lane, as in Bob's figure 1.
     
    George W Frost, Nov 22, 2011
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  7. Next question then, did the "non-gender-specific officer of the law" simply say it, or was it part of a "I'm going to rip your wallet out through your arsehole" fine-dispensing procedure?

    If it's the former, chalk it up to stupidity, have a few drinks to forget about it, and move on.

    If it's the latter, take the issue to court.

    As Moike pointed out though, despite recent advances in homologating Australian road rules and procedures, there _are_ still a few differences between the states. If it's out the back of Hicksville (Coff's Harbour comes to mind), you're up shit creek, 'cause the constabulary and judiciary are well 'n' truly in each other's behinds.
     
    Bob Milutinovic, Nov 22, 2011
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  8. Next question then, did the "non-gender-specific officer of the law" simply
    say it, or was it part of a "I'm going to rip your wallet out through your
    arsehole" fine-dispensing procedure?

    +++++++++++++++++++

    The copper claimed he classed it as two seperate intersections, even though
    there was not really a clear division between the two
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    If it's the former, chalk it up to stupidity, have a few drinks to forget
    about it, and move on.

    If it's the latter, take the issue to court.

    As Moike pointed out though, despite recent advances in homologating
    Australian road rules and procedures, there _are_ still a few differences
    between the states. If it's out the back of Hicksville (Coff's Harbour comes
    to mind), you're up shit creek, 'cause the constabulary and judiciary are
    well 'n' truly in each other's behinds.

    --
    Bob Milutinovic
    Cognicom

    +++++++++++++++++++++++

    You would not be talking about the blonde copper in Bellingen would you ??
     
    George W Frost, Nov 22, 2011
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  9. Can't really remember the hair colour now; this was back in January 2005.

    A member of Boss Hog's constabulary in an unmarked Falcodore (it was night, on a dark desolate road) zoomed up my backside in Mad Max style, in a 100Km/h zone. I initially slowed from ~95Km/h to ~70km/h to allow him to overtake (assuming as I did that he wanted to do so, given his driving style), but he sat glued to my arse.

    Normally I'd have slammed the brakes on hard, but in this instance I had a woman and child in the car and, as I said, was out in the middle of nowhere. So I accelerated to get some space between us and yep, as soon as I hit 110Km/h, he turned his dash lights on.

    Went up to Coff's on two occasions to contest it in court, but all I got to show for it was a condescending verbal pat on the head by the magistrate - along with court costs tacked onto the end of the fine.

    In hindsight I should've listened to my boss of the time, who'd had similar run-ins with the the "force" in that particular area - he already knew I was trying to push shit uphill by complaining. The moral of the story then is to (a) avoid driving through there, (b) avoid driving through there at night and (c) stick to 10Km/h _under_ the speed limit, no matter what threat of doom looms behind you.
     
    Bob Milutinovic, Nov 22, 2011
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