Question...

Many years ago now I rode into Perth on an evening expecting to park in one
of the six parallel bike bays in Hay St. There was a car parked there taking
up all six bays. I found another bike bay 100 metres up the road. When I
walked past the car there was a parking inspector writing out a ticket for
the car. I suggested to him that the car was illegally parked in all six
bays. He smiled and wrote out six tickets.

Was that your car Bully?

Theo

 

Someone buy that parking inspecter a beer!

G-S

 

It all depends on how you look at fines. If I had to listen to someone go
on about safety and how naughty I was, that to me would be a fine in its
self. I would have lost a valuable chunk of time listening to something
that I probably wouldn't agree with. Warning also have the possibility of
becoming fines if the same "act" is committed within a specified time frame,
so effectively robbing someone of their time and then fining them money as
well!

I'd like to see education become the "default" and not this need to pay
penance via the wallet for all the things wrong with the world. Education,
proper education, not "you have done wrong, so I'm gonna do ya".

Hammo

 

In aus.motorcycles on Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:01:19 +1000

Give 'em a choice. "$300 now, or a warning now but if you ever do it again
it will be $1000 and 3 points."

Zebee

 

Only if you promise not to flout any laws.....

Hammo (..or I'll learn ya real good)

 

Surely the presence of a parking restriction sign (or in this case a
disabled parking only sigh) is itself prior warning. Even Uncle Bully
isn't stupid enough to not know that the sign was a warning of a
penalty. He's just angry because he underestimated the penalty.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Yeah, something along that. Smaller fine or nil to begin with and then
apply the "education p.r.n." i.e. Ramping penalty per offence. Then
education has been given, all options have been considered, no possible way
to say that "I didn't know".

Hammo

 

It would appear that education is required.

Hammo

 

It would appear that education has been applied. $384 worth.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

And Bully is getting the education.

Theo

 

So Bully can reason (hypothetically), 'I've never been caught parking in a
disabled bay before, so, even if I get caught, it will only be a small fine
or a warning'?

Theo

 

What has Abba got to do with this topic anyway?

ck

 

It sure as hell cuts down the number of repeat offenders.

Moike

 

I don't want to know about the thought process that led you to post that.

Moike

 

Shit mate, you know I don't make promises I don't intend to keep !

Oooh goody !

JL

 

It is all hypothetical. I'm not in power! Clearly there has been a lack of
education, so in order to remedy it, the above would be an example of how to
remedy that. However, with the education would be a statement that would
acknowledge the lesson learnt and that future penalties will now exceed x
for each breach, with a suitable ramp being applied.

Hammo

 

Citation? I've heard urban myths, but never heard of any solid evidence of
anyone ever succeeding with such a case.

Eh? You brought the subject up, I am merely exploring the idea.

But there is a limit to the length of the chain. If I sell you a gun
illegally and you shoot someone with do I also get done for murder? How
about if I only sold you the bullets? What about only the holster? After all
you wouldn't have been able to carry your gun without that holster.
Likewise, If disbaled guy has to park around the corner at what point do you
think my responsibility for his safety ends? If he wlked intot a different
bank than usual and got held up, do you still hold me responsible?

 

Your bike has a car boot?

 

No. But did you manage to navigate the extra 100 metres saftely? It's not
just disabled people who are at risk you know. Anything could have happened
and it wouldn't have been your fault...