Question...

As Nev had to point out to me (coz I couldn't think outside the square),
your pillion could be disabled: not able enough to operate the
motorcycle, but able enough to still get on with the business of living.

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Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]
Before an accident, most city drivers say "****!", whereas most country drivers
say "Hang on to this stubby, mate, while I show you some awesome driving"
'81 Yamaha Virago (XV) 750H (work in progress)
'01 Yamaha FJR1300

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# 37181

 

Maybe you COULD contest the fine on these grounds - not fit for use.

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Cheers

PeterC [aka MildThing]
Before an accident, most city drivers say "****!", whereas most country drivers
say "Hang on to this stubby, mate, while I show you some awesome driving"
'81 Yamaha Virago (XV) 750H (work in progress)
'01 Yamaha FJR1300

www.dmcsc.org.au
http://eladesom.com.au/ulysses/
# 37181

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 14 Jul 2006 22:20:49 +1000

I agree they are separate in one sense, but in *this case* they are
not as separate as all that.

The furor about parking in a disabled bay is because it causes
hardship to someone who already has too much.

So parking in almost an yother disabled bay is a bad thing no
question.

But this bay is pretty well useless for the intended users, and so
is the same howling witch hunt appropriate? The theory is that the
disabled are being unfairly treated by the trespassing abled, the
practice is something different.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 14 Jul 2006 23:18:55 +1000

I admit I look forward to 300+ posts castigating anyone who complains
about a speeding fine.

Used to be only me who said "do the crime, do the time" when it came
to speeding, so I am happy there will be so many others at such length
now.

Warms the cockles it does. No extentuating circumstances will be
considered, no "it was a clear road at o'dark 30" and definitely no "I
can't keep my bike at the speed limit" excuses.

Zebee

 

Let's just say I know more people with disabled stickers than I know truly
disabled people.

 

Not from their point of view I can't. And I noticed by the fact that
everythime I've raised this in this thread an actual answer has been
avoided, you can't either.

It's amazing how emotional some people get to avoid dealing with the cold
truth of logic.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:25:01 +1000

The difference is that if someone who takes the bay really needs it,
then the indignation is less.

It is when someone takes it who doesn't need it but just finds it
convenient, that's when there's a problem.

Someone disabled can understand someone else disabled needing it, and
while the outcome is the same - more work for the second in line - the
mental anguish is different.

There's also the practical aspect, which led to the creation of such
bays in the first place: there are way fewer disabled than abled. So
the chances of a disabled person finding a disabled space occupied by
another disabled is very low.

(or was until the current fashion for "I had a splinter in my toe last
week give me a permit" took over Sydney....)

Zebee

 

I reckon this is just Bully's way of claiming he's ethically differently
abled ...

-----sharks

 

UB hasn't restricted his PoV to this particular parking bay.

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

Knowing you is a qualification for being disabled?

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

And herein lies the issue. Whether there is a problem or not exists purely
inside someone's head. How do you legislate for something like that?

In fact I'd go so far as to say they are way too many disabled spots. I
wonder if anyone has the ratio of regular spots to vehicles in comparison to
disabled spots and disabled stickers?

I'm not against the concept of disabled parking spots, my argument is simply
that penalty is far too high. At the end of the day it is just a parking
spot. If some people get highly distraught over whether a parking spot is
taken or not, regardless of legality, then I would suggest they have bigger
problems. Easily distraught people will always be easily distraught whether
it be about parking or the colour of their neighbours fence.
The funny part about disabled parking is that the council and their cheer
squad get all high and mighty about disbaled parking as if they are God's
chosen, yet they won't lift a finger to provide other important requirements
such as adequate footpaths and ramps etc so these same people can navigate
the streets easily and safely.

 

According to UB "The simple fact that no-one parks in this spot ever, in
all my years, I've never ever seen anything parked in this spot ever.".
Might explain why this is the first enforcement of the space..

Nev..
'04 CBR1100XX

 

In aus.motorcycles on Sat, 15 Jul 2006 08:56:13 +1000

As far as I can tell he's made at least 3 points.

One is the fine is too much
One is that this bay was never used by anyone disabled.
One - very late in the piece - was that disabled bays are not that
useful.

I am not sure about one, agree with two, and disagree with three.

Zebee

 

Allow me to clarify. They are useful, but not to the point where a vigilante
mob would be justified in assaulting someone for abusing it.

 

Uncle Bully wrote:

Dunno, but walking sticks fit nicely, strapped to the mirrors.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Uncle Bully wrote:

...and you clearly neither know, nor care.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Yes, because you are only looking at the situation from your own point
of reference.

It is entirely possible for a person to have a genuine disabled parking
authority ticket, and be capable of riding a (two-wheeled) motorcycle.

You do actually know atleast one person who was in this position.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

Never said I didn't break the rules now and again - difference is I
am not the one bitching about the severity of the fine imposed on you.

But if I don't want to help my state gubbermint coffers with fines - I
obey the relevant road / council laws - and if I do get pinged - I
just have to grin and bear it

If this particular spot is as bad as both you and zebs say it is, then
you along with the rest of the people who might be affected by it -
should be partitioning the local council to get it looked at /
changed.


Johno

 

Which is why I pointed out in one of my posts that the penalty for
parking in a disabled bay when not entitled to was one of the few
instances of appropriate penalties I could think of...

G-S

 

Extenuating circumstances aren't ruled out of applying, they just don't
apply IMO in this particular instance.

Reasonable extenuating circumstances might be "a disabled person who had
yet to get a disabled permit" or "a disabled person who had one but who
was travelling on another motorbike without the permit attached", not
I'm a lazy inconsiderate person who can afford $60 even if I get caught.



G-S