R1 on ebay not as described

<Mexican wave in motion>

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<Thinks>

People being daft enough to pay >?10 for a 38p Echo after LFC won the
cup again last year?

He might have a point there...

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The paper is ultimately responsible (legally) for what it prints - eBay
refuses any responsibility, and appears to have actually managed to
shirk any responsibility in a court of law, too.

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The Older Gentleman wrote

Where are you off to next week then?

 

Veggie Dave wrote

How odd. I saw evidence tonight as I was coming home that less and less
people are believing this.

Approaching the mini roundabout at the end of Ashlins in Pitsea and
there is a gang of kiddies on the opposite corner who looked as though
they might be crossing the road so I bothered to pay them some
attention.


A car pulls up very quickly beside them and a geezer gets out. Through
the misted bins and visor I took this to be the pigs. Until I saw said
bloke waving what looked for all the world like a 120z Claw hammer on a
wooden shaft. Got my attention I can tell you, the kids seemed to
notice as well cos they scattered like fucking skittles in every
direction just as I went by. I wove carefully through the lot and
carried on going.


Worth noting that in that area recently, apart from the usual round of
chav scum trouble, there has been a death by stabbing and a cafe burn to
the ground.

 

Did you note the cars registration number?

So it was just normal shit then?

 

Assuming the auction took place after any copies of the paper had long
been snapped up then I can see someone paying a lot of money for a
copy. I wouldn't pay it but I know plenty who would.

No he hasn't. He thinks anyone using ebay is an idiot and he hasn't
come up with a good reason yet.

 

Andy Bonwick wrote

No, I was too busy with cold tyres, damp freezing roads, a roundabout,
choke wide open, traffic, an unusually high number of pedestrians going
in all sorts of different directions, misted visor. It is a long time
since I have commuted on a bike, it doesn't all come back in a tenth of
a second.

Pretty much. All it needs is a manc accent or two to round it off.

 

Actually I'd like to see its rules changed to that eBay are responsible
for the adverts like the classifieds in the local newspapers. I have
heard of several people find their stolen bike appear whole or in parts
on eBay. Some have been lucky enough to get the police involved and
catch the cnut selling the items.

 

When I told eBay that someone was ripping IQ18 products they told me to
**** off. They said that they'd only deal with the copyright holder and
then only after said person had registered details somewhere (I don't
remember).

 

I think this would be a good move, in theory. Difficult to police,
though. Newspapers aren't liable if the bike that someone's selling
through their *private* classified ads is hookey. Of course, once that's
been pointed out they have a duty to do what they can to pull the ad if
it's a series, stop the advertiser running more ads, if they can, etc
etc.

Newspapers are liable for mail order business ads - if the company is
hookey, then the paper must refund the punter who lost out. However, for
Ebay, you'd have to prove they're a business which is taking the concept
of "organised crime" a bit too far.

This isn't fundamentally different from Ebay. And just as it's easy to
place a classified ad in a different name, location, using a different
phone number, it's easy to get another Ebay account.

I think Ebay gets a bad press sometimes because when people are happy,
you never hear from them, but when they're upset, they make a noise.
There's a lot of noise made because Ebay has a lot of fraud, but
considering the massive volumes of stuff sold through it, I'd suggest
that the number of naughty people using it is not disproportionate.

I *wwould* like to see Ebay visibly doing more to have the scammers
nailed.

 

I think the only thing Fleabay adds to the pot of the current type of
trading mechanisms between people, is its world wide appeal and
accesibiliity of such a wide range of selling goods. Otherwise, it has no
better protection or benefits in many respects than a private trade.
IMO thats not enough justification for its current success. I certainly
think its useful in some respects, like finding rare items, but on the whole
I will avoid it.

I also think a fair few people who buy on such a medium really ought to
check prices wholesale across other mediums before taking it to be the one
and only place to go get their stuff. For fucks sake, people must be stupid
to pay shop prices, but often they do.

From the pespective of potentially being in receipt of
dubious/counterfeit/stolen/dangerous goods, its worth either 1>>not bidding
in the first place or 2>>bid up to a reasonable value - ie that being quite
low, at least a max out of 50-60% of the total cost including postage,
versus what you would get for goods delivered "as new".
Then, you have the fact that they sucker everyone into using their payment
online scheme above everything else, generally this will rob you of even
more % of the final price (but generally people overbid and pay over odds
for postage, so I guess it evens out).
Unfortunately, the wisdom of such poor comparisons in terms of consumer
protection and quality of goods along with price comparisons, seems to be
lost from the imagination of most the users who bid frenzy on its site for
items.

I personally have suffered as a result of selling items, using insured
delivery but when this fails and the customer is left without anything, and
royal mail aren't exactly quick to do anything about it, what do ebay/paypal
care so long as they get their profits? I've read their terms, they are
remarkably uninterested in any matters such as this.
Honestly is one of the most fluctuating variables when it comes to fleabay.
I know I have always sold honestly, but it can only be speculated exactly
how many traders aren't.

I think some measure of control needs to be put in place to put some sense
back into it, this ought to come from the users of this resource but this is
wishful thinking - I think Fleabay is a victim of its success and hopefully,
this will cause them to suffer longterm if they fail to put better
protection schemes in place that will provide better value and protection to
its customers.
I don't think the rating is enough of an honesty indicator, people need to
use better common sense I feel as it really is no better buying from a dirty
back street or pub car park aside from the fact people are registered as
sellers with an "address".

I tend to stay well clear - mostly I look for alternate locations to buy
goods on a "as new" basis, knowing I am not buying someone elses misery, and
will be hard pressed to do otherwise for the majority of my needs.

 

Seen any DT175MX parts on offer lately? Or, bizarrely, an RG250WD
petcock?

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Sorry old chap, I don't speak 13 year-old trash American. What was the
point you were trying to make?

 

Tim wrote

You may not but if you are attempting to make the point that you speak
English you must understand spoken English.

 

AIUI, the IR has adopted the policy of monitoring high volume
accounts, with a view to "enquiries" re: VAT and Income Tax returns.

More likely to succeed than CR-inf cases, and a damned sight more
horrible vis-a-vis consequences for the individual.

 

I do, but this is written [1]

[1] well typed to be a pedant.

 

Yup,I probably am. I am also part of the production team.

 

So, what you're saying is that if someone spots someone selling
something that's been stolen from you they should do **** all and let
the thieving **** carry on?

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Extreme Racing http://www.veggie-dave.co.uk
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The sooner ebay is strictly regulated and punished by our wonderful
government the better.

Look up VERO on ebay.

Download and complete the Notice of Claimed Infringement Statutory
Declaration form (copy below)
Fax the form to ebay.
Ebay will then remove the dodgy item (takes a couple of days)
You will now be registered and be able to email () future
forms to ebay.


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Notice of Claimed Infringement - Statutory Declaration


eBay International A.G.
Attn: VeRO Programme



Date: ____________________________

Dear eBay,

I, of
do solemnly and sincerely declare as follows:

· I am the owner, or an agent authorised to act on behalf of the owner,
of certain intellectual property rights (?IP Owner?);

· I have a good faith belief that the listings identified below (by item
number) offer items or contain materials that are not authorised by the
IP Owner, its agent, or the law, and therefore infringe the IP Owner's
rights according to English law; and

· I make this declaration conscientiously believing it to be true and
correct and in accordance with English law.

Rights owner:_______________________________________________________
Address of the rights owner: ___________________________________________
__________________________________________________________________

I may be contacted at:

Name and Title of the author of the Notice:
________________________________
Company of the author of the Notice:
_____________________________________
Address:
__________________________________________________________________
email address (for communication with eBay):
______________________________
email address (for communication with sellers)*:
____________________________
Telephone: _________________________________________________________
Fax: __________________________________________________________________

* please fill in, if you wish to have a different address.

In addition to the undersigned, the following persons have the proper
authority to sign future Notices of Claimed Infringement on behalf of
the IP Owner:

Name:____________________________ email address: ___________________
Name:____________________________ email address: ___________________
Name:____________________________ email address: ___________________
Name:____________________________ email address: ___________________


Yours faithfully,



Appendix to Notice of Claimed Infringement
List of Allegedly Infringing Listings, Items, or Materials

A Note on Reason Codes: When identifying item numbers please use the
reasons contained in the shaded box. When choosing "other" please
provide a detailed explanation of the alleged infringement. When
removing items from the site, eBay will inform sellers of the specific
reason for the removal of their items. We believe providing sellers
with this information benefits all parties. Please print as many
appendices as needed to send with the Notice of Claimed Infringement.

Please select the most appropriate reason. Please associate each item
you report with only one reason code.

Reason Codes

Trademark - Infringing item
1.1Trademark Owner doesn't make this type of Product
1.2 Item(s) is unlawful replicas of a product made by the trademark
owner
1.3 Item is unlawful importation of product bearing trademark

Trademark - Infringing Listing content
2.1 Listing(s) contains unlawful comparison to trademark owner's brand
name
2.2 Listing(s) contains unlawful use of trademark owner's logo

Copyright - Infringing item
3.1 Software offered for sale in violation of a license
3.2 Item(s) is a bootleg recording of live performance
3.3 Item(s) is an unlawful copy of media (software, games, movies, etc)
3.4 Item(s) is unlawful duplication of printed material
3.5 Item(s) is an unlawful copy of other copyrighted work (paintings,
sculptures, etc)

Copyright?Infringing Listing Content
4.1 Listing(s) uses unauthorized copy of copyrighted text
4.2 Listing(s) uses unauthorized copy of copyrighted image
4.3 Listing(s) uses unauthorized copies of copyrighted image and text

Other Infringement
5.1 Item(s) infringes a valid patent (requires patent registration
number)
5.2 Item(s) infringes a registered design right (requires design
registration number)
5.3 Other ______________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________
______________________________________________________________

Reason Code: __________________
Item Number(s):______________

Reason Code: __________________
Item Number(s):______________

Reason Code: __________________
Item Number(s):______________

Reason Code: __________________
Item Number(s):______________